(Disclaimer: This transcript is auto-generated and may contain mistakes.) all right guys all right we are live and I say that in air quotes cuz we are actually premiering this right now because my internet is lousy out here in the middle of nowhere but you know I'm gonna get that worked out and I absolutely love living out here today I saw 12 deer I'm sorry not 12 18 deer in our backyard so you know you live in the middle of nowhere when you see 18 deer in your backyard and so that's why unfortunately this is gonna be premiered but you know I'm gonna get this figured out I'm gonna try to I know there's a device that you can hook up two internet streams together and like boost it to one so I'm gonna try doing that that doesn't work I don't know I don't know I don't know what we're gonna do from there but the the internet company will only like go to the outside of your house now because of this whole COVID crap so they don't even really help you anymore as well so anyway today we're gonna be talking with Lisa Plumbo this is Health Matters so this is our first Health Matters show I'm really excited to do more of these live streams we've been talking about them for a while now but then a bunch of stuff happened in our personal lives and then you know this move kind of postponed all that but I'm settled and getting settled in to the new place and we're gonna get get this show back on the road here so again guys we have Lisa Plumbo in the in the house in the hot seat and we're gonna be talking about face masks required for entry everyone sees those signs posted at all the restaurants and stores when you walk in face masks required and it's super annoying whether or not you want to wear a mask that's up to you in my opinion but it's just really annoying that they're mandating these masks everywhere so we're gonna be talking about face masks today Lisa thank you so much for joining us today it's always a pleasure talking with you and your husband you guys definitely helped us out with the move quite a bit and so I appreciate that only good only good friends help other people move so I appreciate that yeah yeah we're really excited too it's definitely a new phase in our life here but I think it's definitely a positive transition for us we have a great church about eight minutes from our house now the nearest town is 30 minutes from our house but or 20 22 minutes but we have a church that it's about 200 people I haven't been there yet so I probably shouldn't be praising it too much but Matt Powell actually goes to that church he said it's a great church so I'm just taking his word on it and so yeah so it's yeah working out and just by chance that we happen to move you know eight minutes away from this church but Lisa you know tell tell us a little bit about your feelings on the mass I know a lot of people know your feelings but it just really bothers me and I just wanted to hear your opinion yeah I couldn't agree more I think it is a giant overreach you can't you know it's not a one-size-fits-all policy to mask healthy people because it's not a benign medical intervention when you look at the consequences to wearing a mask you can't deny it you can't deny physics you know the idea that they the data is is mixed if you try to find out is this just something that we have to worry about droplets or do we have to worry about aerosols and you see both I just finished dr. Judy Michael it's his books on masks and she talked she cites both sides she's like look the science is trying to say that the aerosols are a concern but then you see other published literature that say that aerosols are not a concern so which is it can't so when they first started putting everybody directly on ventilators which we know you know there was a monetary incentive of thirty nine thousand dollars the one of the reasons they bypassed doing a CPAP or just an oxygen mask was because they were concerned of aerosolizing this very deadly virus so again they were basing on spread of COVID to through aerosols and so aerosols are just the air we breathe there was a medical doctor who did a video with like a vaping device and so he put on various masks he put on you know a cloth mask that you can buy and again there's no standardization with those cloth masks they're all very different and so you put on even a thick one the vape will go directly out the front there's no it's just it's kind of interesting I mean and then the surgical mask the weave is in such a way that again physics it's just going to change the direction so you have the jet stream of your breath goes up that's why people's glasses fog up or it goes out the sides so again those aerosols are not going to be completely contained whatsoever it's not like the mass continues to bloom now there is some retention because there's been multiple unbiased studies that show that I have an oxygen pulse oximeter myself and I've measured people out cashiers that are willing to check their blood oxygen saturation and it does drop significantly upon wearing the mask because think about this in the atmosphere the primary gas in the atmosphere is nitrogen right but the atmosphere contains on average about point zero four percent carbon dioxide but when you exhale your your waste product of your breath contains four percent carbon dioxide that's a hundred times greater so you are displacing the availability of oxygen right and you are going to increase the rebreathing of carbon dioxide you just can't get away you know there's no escaping the biological laws of cause and effect like it's just inevitable no matter what kind of mask you're wearing so by rebreathing carbon dioxide you're acidifying your blood so you're increasing your body's pH to be acidic so you're actually lowering the pH and then you're not getting enough oxygen your blood oxygen saturation is going to go down so what environment I mean you know about Gerson you know about all those things if you have an acidic environment and you have a hypoxic environment what thrives in that cancer yeah so cancer thrives so cancer of course is a devastating diagnosis something chronic and horrible that nobody wants to have to deal with that and our immune system can keep it in control if we have if our if our body's physiology is able to regulate itself but when you do this intervention for I mean some people have to wear these things all day long so you're increasing your cancer cell proliferation you're increasing cancer growth and and for what to avoid something that we now know is like a point one percent risk like does that seem like a good trade-off to mask every healthy person when most people will just breeze through this without a problem yeah exactly and that's what I just find so infuriating is that they're mandating this all over the country for something that's not even proven to work and it's a control issue if you ask me because it makes no sense that the the the the implement like when you go to for instance I went to Chipotle and you you can't walk through the line to get a food but you can be a foot away in the eating section eating all day long it's like it doesn't make any sense this one lady pulled me out of line she panicked I walked into Chipotle without a mask on she pulled me aside she was like hey I can't have you in here you got to leave you got to leave I'll take your order outside I was like just give me a coke and then we can I can we just order like as long as I had a coke in my hand we could order it's like I know it's stupid it is not based this is has nothing to do with with safety with health it's all to do with how much can they get away with how much can control how much are people willing to submit to and that's why we really have to stand up to this because this is you know people say are you really willing to die in this hill what's the same hill it's only gonna just get steeper and worse I mean this if you can't buy goods and services like I got kicked out of a different sprouts location last night and so I wasn't able to buy you know I wanted to buy some greens and I so I wasn't able to buy healthy food because I didn't have something obstructing my breathing over my face and so and again there was like three people three customers in the store social distancing was completely and I mentioned that to the manager but she didn't care and again they don't want to listen to you they just are robotically going through the emotions of we're not you're not allowed to be in the store you need to leave and she called the police and so I left before they got there well you are super troublemaker I'm actually gonna call you back we have a great bad connection but just stay on the line with us and I'm just gonna call you right back yeah I mean none of it makes sense and it's just it's infuriating to me that they're implementing this but you know what it's it's not the mark of the beast but it's definitely a step towards that it shows how they can control you and can implement laws that literally make it so you cannot buy and sell so I mean definitely not saying it's the mark of the beast but it's that hill that we're just yeah leading towards that for sure I'm you know if you're willing to die in the hill then you it's the same hill so we have to you know take a stand now or we are gonna be under full blown tyranny and the definition of tearing people don't realize that these mandates are not laws and I can't stress that enough mandates are not laws so there's the governor the mayor they only have so much authority over they're not even their constituents like they only have so much authority a mandate cannot compel an individual to do anything so these mandates are really it's a strong word but it's really just guidelines or recommendations so that's all this mandate is so you don't have to feel like you're breaking the law so all those little rule followers out there who think well I know it's bad for me I know they don't work I know but I'm gonna I don't want to break the law but you're not breaking the law because mandates are not laws and they haven't made any new laws regarding masks so here's the thing so if you have a store policy that is in violation of an existing law that that cannot be so it's kind of like if you have a store policy that you know assault is okay like once you get into that store but they can't have a store policy it has to be in in the confines of existing state and federal law so if you so no store stores are classified as public accommodations and so a public accommodation no store no establishment may deny any individual free and equal access to their facilities and services that is the law so once a store has a policy that says well you have to wear a mask well now because that is discriminatory so either for it violates your religious convictions which for some people it does they don't want to block the you know the breath God gave them that you know the life of the flesh is in the blood it's delivering life giving oxygen to every cell you know that could be something or they could say well this is the precursor to the mark of the beast I don't feel comfortable take you know wearing this mask they whatever their religious belief is they has to be respected that's the law so or you could take the medical route and one of one of my boys looked up the like what a disability and disability the list is so long it's so many paragraphs and just impeding oxygen falls under some of the things that are classified as disability so you can fall under they can't they can't discriminate against you if you have a disability so that that works as well so they can't have a store policy that violates existing existing law and it says medical advice this is a medical intervention it is not benign there are consequences and only a medical professional can give you medical advice and whenever you're given medical advice you have to also have informed consent and informed consent can only come from a doctor so you could say well are you the doctor on site giving medical advice and of course they're gonna say no and they say well this is a medical intervention and you are not a doctor so you were not qualified to give me medical advice so there's so many ways to to look at this and to make it illegal so that's what I pointed out to the manager as she was on the phone with the police and I said you have to understand that you're the one breaking the law like what law did I break you're calling law enforcement but I didn't break the law you broke the law and so and I you know cited several things and but she wouldn't even listen to me so I mean it adds so much stress your life I mean every time I think about having to go to a store any store I'm just stressed out before I even get there I'm thinking oh my goodness how am I gonna I'm just kind of I'm thinking to myself okay I'm just gonna walk in like I own the place I'm just gonna go straight to the back like let's do it and I prepare myself and I do it and it's just stressful and then most of the time people I I've had very good luck most of the time people just leave me alone but sometimes though it's just a fight and then it's like then they ask you to leave they escort you out and it's just annoying no it absolutely is but I think some of the stores that were really militant in the beginning like Walmart even I guess Target I haven't been to Target but Walmart, Target I believe Lowe's that they've all backed down and the CDC actually issued something a week or two ago that was oh are you still there yeah I'm still here that said do not argue with the anti-maskers and again with the name you know the negative connotation calling us anti-maskers like anti-vaxxers and you know when with anti-vaxxers most of them are ex-vaxxers they're not anti-vaxxers they did it and they saw the results so so they have that guide new guidelines updated guidelines front of CDC not to argue with them yet Sprouts is the one that will not back down so I feel like they are the pilot test study what are people willing to do and like I've noticed that their their stock prices have gone down there they're not busy every time I go in there the one by me doesn't have a door person so I am able to get in there most of the times successfully but the door person you do know it's better to just walk right past the door person and ignore them so last night I did that I ignored the door person but they chased me down and the thing is it's rather intimidating being chased by someone with a mask on that's yelling at you and I also found out that if they block you if they're willfully blocking someone's ability their path but that's actually a misdemeanor so you would have you know you'd have to film it I found that out just recently and there's a bunch of other things when they have all these you know mazes and things like that that's that's actually also considered it falls under something unlawful imprisonment it sounds like a very harsh term too but it actually there is law that you know again laws you start reading them and they go on forever you know there actually is criteria that that is unlawful and then not letting you um you know holding you up against your will so and then you know the intimidation the harassment all these kind of all these kind of things I think there's gonna be a lot more lawsuits yeah it got to a point where I just had to just say we're not going to sprouts anymore because it just got so ridiculous that especially the one near me where I used to live was just I don't they had to have been the worst sprouts out there they were so bad so militant no they all are really becoming that way I'm the one by me is not I mean I have been kicked out of there but the last three times they now have self-checkout so that kind of helps and I feel like the managers kind of they don't want to have to deal with it and they're staying in their office and choosing not to have to you know essentially harass people no so and if they do physically touch you like did that person that when you were at Chipotle did she she touch your no she didn't touch me no but she was just she was panicking it was so ridiculous like I don't know if they're panicking because they're honestly scared or if they feel like they're gonna get in trouble if you don't get you out of there like I don't yeah that's a great question I'm not really sure I think maybe that I should pose that question to the person the next time something like this happens because you know if you look at the latest data there was a lot of a lot of hubbub I guess about the latest CDC when they went through all of the cases or excuse me all the deaths and only about 9,000 some odd people died only of kovat out of all the deaths and so you know people will try to say well you can't those other people wouldn't have died if they didn't get covered well another epidemiologist said well over half of those people would have died of something at this year because they were on their way out so it could have been anything and even even nursing homes know that a common cold can result in an 8% death rate and a nursing home you know so yeah so again for the average person you're looking at a less than 1% risk so and ultimately what is between you and this virus or how your disease would process would progress is your immune system and why aren't we talking about how to help your immune system and we're getting out of vitamin D season and that's going to you know vitamin D regulates over 2,000 processes in your body a lot to do with your immune system so yes that's why cold and flu season comes when it does when people's vitamin D levels have dropped substantially well the summer's over well I know that the CDC and I wish I would have wrote this down before the show but didn't the CDC just come out and say that only like 12% of the cases were actual deaths from COVID alone that's what I was referring to I was referring to it numerically with the 9,000 but it's it's 6% so they said 6% of the yes so you were talking about the same thing now the 12% number might be in your head because when they did that in Italy they came up with 12% so but here in the United States it happened to be 6% so I mean again 9,000 people if you go to the FDA website and you look up you know why learn about adverse drug reactions and in a little blue box it says because 106,000 Americans die every single year from properly prescribed prescription drugs and if you really dig into that number you'll find that that's inpatient so if you're in the hospital and the nurse says okay mr. Wittenberger here's your medicine and it's the right dose at the right time everything's perfect and you still die as an adverse reaction to the medication that's part of that 106,000 and it's actually 198,000 people die every year from outpatient prescriptions so when you add up all the nosocomial infections all the medical errors that Western medicine is the leading cause of death in the United States well I mean yeah I mean what we've been saying since the beginning is is this is not a deadly virus I mean if you look at the flu deaths I mean this seems like not even as deadly as the flu because how many yeah when we again it goes back to the very beginning and you know intelligent unbiased scientists all looked at the princess cruise ship right and they were like look there's a perfect model right there this is not a projection like the Imperial College you did that unbelievably crazy modeling where they didn't even release how they came up with the numbers and it was it was just the worst prediction they were off by orders of magnitude however if you looked at in the very beginning we had that princess cruise ship those are people were mostly in the high risk category and you had about what a 1% death rate in the high risk category so why wouldn't anybody say wow there's your model yeah that's perfect and that's what we ended up seeing because again once you increase the age group if you do deaths by age it does increase your your propensity to die from this virus does go up with age yeah so that's and it affects everyone differently because I I know a good friend of mine Ray Hester mr. Hester he actually got the virus and his whole family got it and his daughter said it didn't feel like anything it was like nothing like a cold or something but his but mr. Hester actually you know it put him down he was pretty sick but you know I've been sick with the flu pretty bad and where it puts me down where I feel like I'm on death's door I mean does that does that mean that we need to just shut down everything and mandate that people wear a mask that people they can't even come in and and check my internet I mean it's just this is all just so ridiculous and so I I wanted to talk about real quick about how I've been getting away with how I've been getting away with kind of following the rules by wearing a mask and not following the rules so I've had to go on a lot of trips to for the the new movie to Portland and or I mean on Texas we went to Kansas City we went to a bunch of different states and what I've been doing because they make you wear it on the plane is I've just been wearing the mask up to the bottom my lip and it's like a 99% success rate no one says anything you don't cover your mask but I still feel like I'm compromising the whole time I'm wearing it underneath because I'm putting it on but you know I'm doing it to get through I do it and then you know I have wore it a couple times because the interviewers requested that I wear it and they wouldn't even do the interview if I didn't wear it so I was like fine I'll wear the mask but it's just you the whole time you wear the mask you just feel like just this horrible person that is being silenced you're being shut up like this has to be a psychological thing that they're doing on us to make us know who's in charge like I just don't get it one of the other reasons that shows it's about compliance it's not about the science is the CDC said that face shields that the the jury's still out on face shields which makes no sense because they keep saying it's those droplets droplets droplets how many times we're gonna hear about blocking the droplets well face shields block the droplets because nothing's gonna block the aerosols you can prove that so quickly with all types of masks from you know n95s clock masks or or surgical masks the the aerosols are still dispersed out into the environment and and it is with a face shield but the block droplets are blocked so but the thing is if people were face shields you could still interact you can still interact with people you could smile at them you could still see facial expressions it wouldn't be so doomsday I mean I don't like to see all these masks people it gives me a ton of anxiety it does yeah all these people in masks it's one thing to even have you know to think you have to wear it yourself but just seeing people it's very depressing it's very depressing to see that people are just willing to to comply and but the thing is the more of us that set forth an example of peaceful civil civil disobedience it doesn't bolden others you know courage is contagious and so I've had you know I remember I walked in a Ross with two of my kids and I you know I said well we're not compromising we're not even putting on the mask we're not gonna do that we're not gonna do the putting on the mask and then taking it off like you said or lowering it that's that's not it is you're right they have this security guy at the door and it's me and two of my kids and they he's like he's like man you need to have masks to come in the store I said actually no you don't and he said he said you have we have a store policy so I went through the whole thing but you can't have a store policy that violates existing state and civil law and I said here's the state and civil law that you're violating so I said I'm not in the wrong you are and then we just walked the guy was like the guy didn't know what to do he was like what so the guy behind me coming in he just said what she said and he took his off I had him come up to me and this little old lady come up to me and she pulled her mask down when she saw I didn't have a mask and she's like I know this is not doing anything I know that this is in and so she's just like but I'm seeing you so I'm gonna take off mine so the three of us are all Facebook friends yeah I mean we have to stand up against this you know obviously you you got to go about your life in some some way but we need people everyone that doesn't wear the mask in the store really does say something and so I think it's awesome when I see people without masks in stores but it's very rare I mean usually I'm the only one without a mask in the store but one thing to go along with what you said is at the airport when I was getting all my luggage I you know I took off my mask and then I noticed a few people notice me and then they took off their mask as well while I was waiting for my bag so it is contagious and so you know we just need people yeah go ahead I make a point to talk to people that don't have masks I don't know if you do that too but I always make a point to talk to the people and I have met like I said I had the two from Ross and then I had this lady we were pulling open a cooler like next to each other and she didn't have a mask on I'm like and so I shut the door and I said oh it is so good to see someone's face and see a smile and she was sure that I think she was she said she was 76 and she said well that's because this is all BS that's awesome we talked for like 45 minutes and she was the funniest lady and she gave me her phone number she sends me really cool videos and stuff all the time and she gave me her number and when I was putting her contact on my phone at the store I said what what's your last name she said just put the rebel and then there was a gentleman walking past us and he had his mask on under his nose and she said oh look at this guy he's trying to get some fresh air that's funny yeah it's really fun like I've met some of the most really sharp people like just really fun people that don't wear masks well you know they're cool people because I mean anyone that stands up against this is usually a pretty decent person because you know I just don't get why people are just going along with this because this is so draconian if you want to wear a mask wear a mask I don't care like what does it matter to me if you want to wear a mask go ahead but it's just this making everyone wear a mask that is so ridiculous I I want to change this subject a little bit into social shaming can you talk about how they're they're making everyone like it not only do they make you wear a mask but it seems like they're trying to socially shame you into wearing masks too what are your thoughts on that again I'm more I have more apprehension about the people like the customers in stores than I do about the workers because I know they'll probably conduct themselves in a professional manner they're you know they want to keep their job but it's the it's the customers that you have to worry about you gotta like have all eyes you know looking around know your surroundings because they're the ones who can get really belligerent and they make all kinds of nasty comments and you're just thinking oh my goodness you know I could say the same about you with your cart full of you know ding dongs and ho hos and soda like that has much more of an impact on your immune system than wearing this little piece of cloth in front of your face so so you know there's there's so many ways to look at it I I've seen a homework or you know schoolwork with kids young children that are having to do these little you know cut and paste books of thumbs up or thumbs down with different scenarios like it shows a little girl that's away from people you know obviously like six feet away from all her classmates and she's wearing her mask up over her nose and everything and it gets a thumbs up whereas she then she pastes a thumbs down next to a situation where two kids are hugging like that's no longer okay and kids you know we need each other we're social beings we need the interaction kids thrive on an interaction and close interaction kids are always little close talkers and you know they mean they they should have that freedom and now we're just like you said before you mentioned the psychological aspect like this is going to have long-term psychological detrimental effects on kids for years to come I mean just like we have the deaths of despair that are rising faster than deaths from COVID and they will continue when people lose their businesses and lose their livelihoods and you know between domestic violence and suicides and all kinds of overdoses on and you know they're taking antidepressants all kinds of things so that's going to have a much larger impact detrimentally to our country what are we doing to these poor kids that that they can't even interact in a normal basis they can't go on the playground and play tag they can't be kids yeah yeah I mean this world has really gone crazy and I just really appreciate people like you that stand up against this draconian measures because this is not a world I want to live in and you know a lot of people are just throwing up their hands but if people don't stand up and do something about this it's just gonna get worse it's just gonna be prolonged you know obviously this is gonna end some point but all the laws that were implemented during this period will be in place and more laws are being passed right now then probably in the last 20 years laws that are taking away our rights taking away our freedoms one bit at a time and so we need to stand up against these draconian practices because you know it they could implement this again on a different scale and those laws will be ready to go they'll be not as hard to implement and people will be more used to it so we want to get this over I I know you sent over some studies through messenger do you want to you want to talk about that which one did you want to start with the commentary first that I had I kind of underlined it in red shot it's very I'm the scientific article so I got the actual article that you now for example today I well last week I notified you know the schools that I will not be returning after happily working as a substitute teacher for seven years I'm not going to be going back because after I did some safety training class I realized just in that class that I wouldn't I was gonna compromise and wear a face shield because I thought well okay but that's not allowed and then and so I'm certainly not going to compromise my health to wear wear a mask all day and I just feel like how can you possibly teach and communicate effectively with a muzzle on your face you can't yeah and it's a psychological thing where it says like don't listen to me you know I don't matter it's gonna I I swear it's gonna make kids worse at schools not better oh yeah yeah and historically masks have been used as tools to for submission especially with women and children no signs of submission you know and they also have a rich history and occultic practices so I just started skimming some of these articles I couldn't believe how easily if you go on DuckDuckGo and and you look up masks rituals occult like you can't believe how many practices that this you know so certainly we don't want to be part of this an occultic practice and they usually always start with isolation because isolation solitary confinement is one of the most severe forms of punishment and it really messes with your head and that's what they did to us first you know they put us under house arrest they isolated people and by doing that then they then the masks and that's kind of like how the occult rituals line up so it's it's not something that is coincidental I don't think I mean it definitely blocks your airflow I mean people who say that it's no big deal that it's just you know it's it's normal breathing just like no it's not like when you put it on it's hard to breathe it like affects how you act and I know we've showed in previous shows that article where those Chinese boy in the playground or they're running and that died and that was that was a real article was that New York what was that it was two two children both died in PE not at the same school not at the same time two separate incidences but they were exerting themselves with masks and they both drop dead and then there was the person who crashed their car wearing an n95 mask and they crashed their car and even some of the studies that show with n95 in a medical setting that they that doctors after wearing n95 for an extended period of time couldn't do simple comprehension tests like they literally were lacking that much oxygen to their brain and they experienced headaches which is a symptom of hypoxia so and then there was there was somebody who collapsed a lung I think we might have talked about that one somebody was running with a mask and their lung collapsed so again you can't deny you can't deny that this isn't impacting people's ability to breathe and with with the with this study that you're gonna pull up it does just the highlighted portion talks about how there was a let's see what was it 13 times I believe yeah it says it says UK Medical Journal showed healthcare workers who wore cloth masks all day while working were 13 times more likely to get a respiratory illness when compared to the standard practice of wearing masks wearing a mask when necessary right so they compared cloth masks to a surgical mask only as needed throughout the day so the cloth mask we're wearing them all day which a lot of people that work in retail or what-have-you in a restaurant they're wearing them all day and the cloth masks you know the commentary went on to say well it could be because cloth masks are thicker and the material retains moisture so again if you've ever worn something over your face even a scarf it warms the air and it's going to condensate onto that onto that mask it gets wet it gets wet from from breathing so all that just like on your floor when you you know you're like oh you guys got water all the floor now the dirt collects on those water droplets so all the dirt debris the viral particles the bacteria fun fun guy everything is gonna collect on that wet cloth mask and then you've got this nice warm space for it to breed and proliferate and you're breathing that into your lungs so again a 13 times higher risk of any type of respiratory infection it could be a fungal respiratory infection it could be a bacterial respiratory infection so they're pushing the cloth mask because the CDC recently said do not wear the n95 because the n95 have that exit vent and so it doesn't filter any air it just completely goes out so the whole idea of you wear your mask protect me I wear mine to protect you would not would not hold any water with an n95 because it's not going to block right so so they said no to those so they're pushing the cloth mask because there's no standardization there's no regulation OSHA can just be like well we don't do anything with cloth masks because they're all different so so I feel like that's they're gonna try to plead ignorance although look at this randomized clinical trial with I believe it was 1,600 participants in the trial so it's not a small study at all and if you look and I sent you the original article I just wanted to point out that when people are reading scientific articles that when they see that RR it says you know for the cloth mask group the RR was 13 so that RR stands for relative risk so again your risk is 13 times greater to get a respiratory infection if you wear a cloth mask all day and again 13 times what is that percentage that's 1300 percent 1300 percent that is astoundingly huge and again what pharmaceutical drug have you ever heard advertised on TV that you'll have a 1300 percent less risk of getting heart disease if you take this drug give me a break they can they're lucky if they can get 13 percent not 1300 so this is definitely absolutely without a doubt not a benign intervention and nobody we should all just have a mask burning it's crazy so and if everybody did it what are they gonna do they can't arrest us all you know as many criminals as they let out of prison there's still not enough room for all of us no that's such a great point because this is all our fault because if everyone just stopped wearing masks there's no way they can implement this but the problem is is every time you walk into the store you're the only one not wearing a mask so I I just encourage everyone that's listening to this stream to stop wearing masks you know out to places when you go put up a little bit of a fight just a touch you know if you know wear it maybe once don't wear it every once every other store or something just try to implement in your life where you stop yeah and if you don't want to avoid confrontation at all costs there are stores that don't give you a hard time so just shop at those stores you know so just find the stores that you know so that you're one of those people that are in there that are emboldening others again that the courage is contagious and if our numbers go up people will well more people will do it and they see others when they see others doing it um and again you know it's so funny because they push these masks so hard it that tells me right away that they don't work because if they did work they'd be banned like hydroxychloroquine you know so so and anybody that there's a lot of confrontation and there's a lot of you know you just made a lot of people upset right there a lot of people are in the comments right now that doesn't work okay but guess what did those people that say it doesn't work did they listen to that seven-hour presentation by a physician that showed that there are actually five mechanisms of action for hydroxychloroquine and the coronavirus there's actually five not one I thought there was only one I thought it drove zinc into the cells that's only one mechanism out of five it literally is that much of a smart bomb and I knew right away that chloroquine there's so many different ones that I found that article right from the get-go that chloroquine was a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus the original SARS from 2001 and that told me that was published by the NIH study that when Fauci was over there so I'm like I can't believe this that people they knew it worked then for that SARS and why wouldn't it work now so and it actually yes five mechanism I watched all seven hours so I I feel very confident with saying and I would personally never take it because I don't take pharmaceuticals you know I personally would never take it because I know that my immune system would be fine on its own I wouldn't need that that yeah thank you so much for saying this because a lot of people are haters but it's like okay well if you're so worried about this then you can take that there that's an option that's what you're saying right and you can take it prophylactically and the dose prophylactically is so incredibly low that it's like 225 milligrams okay I don't even know what that word means what is prophylactically mean to to prevent to prevent and that is why if there is a treatment or a prevention they cannot get the vaccine to have emergency use authorization with zero liability covered under the prep act not even the vaccine injury compensation program not even that not even that liability we're talking absolute blanket liability but the only way they can qualify for that is if there is no treatment and if there's no if there's no effective treatment and there's no prevention and there's both with hydroxychloroquine does both so that's why there's the attack on hydroxychloroquine not because it's dangerous it's been in use for many decades it's considered completely safe pregnant women can take there's no contraindications like it's just it literally is that safe not that I personally would ever take it because I don't do pharmaceuticals but for other people that are at high risk to take that prophylactically and never allow the viral load in your body to ever give you symptoms to just keep that viral load and check I think yeah why why wouldn't you well I know I want to have a whole show dedicated to vaccines the coronavirus vaccine because I know that they they do want to implement this to travel like it might not be mandated for everyone but if you go to school they're probably gonna implement it that you have to take this vaccine to go to school and they're probably gonna implement it that if you want to go to a different country you're gonna have to take this vaccine and you know for people do not care about this is it's just baffles my mind that you're gonna have to take this vaccine that has absolutely no clinical trials like it's just being rushed into market who knows what kind of health effects this is gonna cause and could you talk about that just a little bit we want to have a whole show on this but maybe just a little bit and we'll go back to the mass there there's skipping the long term you know to see the long term effects they're skipping that entirely obviously because it would take many years for it to see long-term effects autoimmune diseases which we know are caused by many vaccinations because again why wouldn't you look at the one place that permanently alters your immune system and all of a sudden you have an autoimmune disease like that's the most logical explanation but people will say oh we don't know what causes autoimmune diseases although the where they are truthful is on the vaccine package inserts they list all those autoimmune diseases type 1 diabetes they list rheumatoid arthritis things like that they know that vaccines have the potential to cause those disorders in people and again our chronic disease has gone through the roof we have 54% of children have a chronic disease now whereas before the vaccine injury compensation program before we took liability away from vaccine manufacturers and we jumped you know what was it let's see in the 60s there was just two injectables one oral polio and now we have 72 doses that little kids have to get so we went from 12.8 percent in 1986 of chronic disease to 54 percent I mean I'm sure all those parents that have kids that could have anaphylactic reactions that have seizure disorders that they are on a constant alert high alert for their children's well-being would trade a week of chickenpox for for a lifelong debilitating disease and that's that's a horrible trade-off to to to avoid a childhood infection that lasts a week you know cough fever and a rash like chickenpox or a battle with COVID I mean you know to get a nasty cold for a week and then we don't have any idea what the ramifications the the adverse reactions are gonna be so and again if you have a 0.1 percent death rate for most for like the healthy people why in the world would you take a vaccine that in the Moderna and think about that name Moderna it's modify mod mod your RNA like no thanks so you have this Moderna vaccine that had their group it was 15 in the high dose 15 in the medium dose 15 in the low dose and 20 percent of the high dose needed hospitalization and medical attention that in these who do they get for these clinical trials they get the healthiest people they can possibly find these aren't people that have comorbidities these aren't people that have health problems these are like the healthiest people they can possibly find and they're still dropping like flies and 20 percent so if you have a 20 percent severe adverse reaction in just that one test group why in the world would you say oh yeah 20 percent severe adverse reaction or point one percent you know what I mean like come on no way I don't see how people can logically process that rationally to to take that risk and you know you being a teacher and all I'm sure that they are gonna mandate you actually get the vaccine to go to work too so I told them I'm not returning because I won't wear a mask no and I would have compromised with the face shield because but it wasn't allowed and I just think that's crazy and then so a teacher actually called me today to ask me to do a long-term job and I told her you know why and I gave her a lot of read I gave her a lot to think about and of course she's like well I'm not even allowed to have an opinion or I'll lose my job yeah pretty much well you know what that means though is she says she pretty much agrees with you she just can't admit so she she understood and she said unfortunately if you take a special needs position because they can't enforce the masks on kids with special needs because they can't understand it so and I'm so thankful to hear that that they're not going to be just constantly putting these masks on these children that they require the teachers and special needs classrooms that have to wear both a mask and a face shield what yeah no way you well you I'm sure you watch that the the YouTube are the video that was surfacing Facebook of that two-year-old that woman that was kicked off the airplane for a two-year-old keep that kept taking off the mask I mean what a horrible horrible person that flight attendant was to kick that family off that flight I mean everyone on that plane knew that that flight attendant had totally overstepped their bounds but yet it seems like they just she still got kicked off she still lost her seat it's just crazy it's crazy yeah and that's like a microcosm you know here the the mass in that situation watched this crazy act of overreach transpire and they were against it yeah why aren't they against it in general you know so so here's like a microcosm of this lady's like you know yelling at a two-year-old like you know what in the world like I actually I don't know if she was yelling at a two-year-old but but even if she's yelling in front of the two-year-old yeah it's like you need to keep this mask it that's that's crazy to me and and to think that they're putting people on no-fly lists that don't comply yes like that and it wasn't just that lady in her family I got kicked off there was this guy that was next to him that was just sticking up for the family he also got kicked off the flight as well so I mean yeah yeah it's just but go back to what you're talking about right there cuz that is really interesting you know I said that and then I forgot because you were you brought up a great point and good night I just stepped all over you right before that but they see it on a micro level within an airplane but yet they're not rising up to see the tyranny in general and again they attacked Andy Biggs Congress Congressman Andy Biggs local congressman man here who's been speaking out against the masks for a lot and he's just and I read this article on I think it was az-central that just bashed him and I thought it was both an ad hominem attack and it was there was zero facts in this article and here's the thing by definition I said it earlier what tyranny is is when a government or individual acts with authority that doesn't have we acts with you know they they transpose their desires upon a people but they don't have legal authority to back it that is essentially by definition tyranny so the article doesn't address that they just they make it sound very sarcastic like oh sorry Biggs this is not tyranny you know when actually by definition it is tyranny and again they don't ever address the the fact that this is not a benign medical intervention they don't address that all these places of business are trying to practice medicine without a license which I believe is a felony like you can't practice medicine without a license in any state like that puts people I think that is a felony so when you are giving people medical advice you're practicing medicine without a license and then you can't get informed consent because that can only come from a medical doctor so there's so many different ways where the schools are all these places they're all guilty now my kids will go back the three go back they go two days a week or something next week starting next week but you know I wouldn't be surprised if at least the boys would get suspended the first day for not keeping their mask on because I know you know whatever so what happens but well we'll see but I understand you know the Twitter seniors they want to go back and see their friends and I just feel like they're cheated on all off of all these different fun events that that though that age group is not at risk whatsoever for this thing and they should have the ability to to to interact on it like normal human beings shred we should not be depraved of that and I feel horrible for the the kids that graduated last year I mean got a graduation or if they did they couldn't have any family I know my wife's nieces they graduated and they could only bring one person or something or two people from their family and it had to be like so stupid but again going back to the the airplane is you know you can you have to wear a mask right to be on the airplane but then as soon as you get some food again you take it off and it's like okay so everyone on that plane if they had kovat would he just gave it to everyone you know it so in it makes no sense I mean I'm not saying that in their logic you know if all those people on the plane don't have a fever and don't have symptoms and there are so-called asymptomatic they have yet to prove an asymptomatic transmission remember when the WHO is like well I guess it must be very rare because they contact trace like 400 and some people from an asymptomatic positive person and not one of them got the coronavirus oh really any proof whatsoever that asymptomatic transmission even exists so every person that's on that plane if they're feeling perfectly fine then even if they were to test positive and were asymptomatic then it the chances of them the chances of them having a significant enough viral load to actually make an impact on anybody is impossible it's absolutely impossible so yeah this whole topic just it just bothers me so much I'm just I feel like I we need to just keep talking about it because it's impacting our daily lives everyone to to an extreme level luckily though I've noticed here in where I live now that no one cares if you wear a mask I've been in multiple stores and just no one cares I I don't see anyone see this is the thing I I walk through the store and no one I'm talking with employees no one's asking me to put on a mask so yeah everyone has a mask on so just people you just want to shake people and like come on just take it off no one cares around here why are you wearing it and I did want to bring up a point for people to go ahead and investigate because if people are in this boat where they have a loved one in a nursing home and you know they have all these new regulations where you can't even go visit you know a dying loved one in a nursing home and that is to let people die alone is just wicked and cruel yeah and but the thing is it's actually illegal so I haven't looked into it I haven't read all the different there's so much to read on it but if you are somebody that's listening or know somebody that is not able to visit their grandparent or loved one in a nursing home you still can't because that nursing home already has a policy in place that says that we will not you know ever you know not allow you to visit your loved one like you already signed off on that and that is your your legal agreement binding agreement and so they really can't violate that not to mention we're not in a state of emergency if anybody who's seen the the numbers either if you want to cite cases or deaths it's nose-bottom to the bottom so they have they can't claim a state of emergency to have you know a change in policy and you would have to agree to that change in policy so I don't know the ins and outs of it I just touched on it briefly but I said well that is something that people really need to dig into because it's it's horrible because they're gonna be neglected if they don't have a advocate if they don't have regular visitations there could be bed sores all those kind of things problems that arise so yeah and all these hospitals are like empty oh I wanted to throw a shout out to Peggy Hall and her website the healthy American with Peggy Hall so she has a Facebook page website YouTube channel and she is just such a wealth of information she has an incredibly diverse background you know she speaks several languages she knows other cultures she's lived she is just a force to reckon with and she recently interviewed someone who knows the ins and outs of the law and I listened to it in passing and I'm gonna go back through and take notes but it is some fantastic information and it's so you know you feel so emboldened like whenever I learn the law and realize the laws on my side then I just like where can I go I want to go out and I want to go have these conversations so um you the more you know knowledge is power and and we have to we have to assert ourselves and get rid of this tyrannical draconian measures for sure yeah for sure and I just showed that website in the screen the healthy American dot org make sure you go check out that it looks like a great site I love to see people standing up against these practices but Peggy Hall she's single-handedly so never underestimate the power one person single-handedly she lives in Orange County California and she had her one minute at City Council and her one minute in front of the Board of Health and different things like that and then she had a lawyer draw up legal documents to sue for fraud because she kept pushing of the issue you have to show the science that supports this blanket mandate you have to show that there is science that backs masking healthy people and they never provided the science because again it's not about science it's about compliance so because they didn't apply didn't provide the science in a time frame which she had given them they were now guilty of fraud because there's no basis there's no basis for the mandate so she had a lawyer draw up documents for each one of the individuals on the Board of Health in Orange County to be sued for fraud which is a felony which would incur prison time and they they retracted the mandate the following day Wow good for all of Orange County yeah in California is just out of control right now California is definitely one of the worst states on all these laws and and just seems like everyone just follows suit with whatever California does but Lisa I appreciate you coming on is is there anything else you want to say real quick we're gonna have a bunch of different shows that talk about these issues but this is the health matters with Lisa Plumbo and I know Lisa has a million things that she's passionate about the face mask is just one of them but it's something that just really matters right now it's very something that's very timely and we are wanted to do a show about this I wanted to get these shows going we're gonna try to up our game here with more graphics more stuff but we're gonna have to slowly implement that I just wanted to get the shows going get them started and I really appreciate everyone tuning in to these live streams and I said in quote because it's not really live but hopefully we can get that in live but I really do appreciate everyone supporting framing the world make sure to head over there and check out the different stuff we have on the website and make sure you support us on patreon guys if you get a chance head over to patreon forward slash framing the world you can check us out there and support us five bucks a month is makes a huge difference so I appreciate everyone tuning in to tonight's stream I mean there's so many things that are going to my mind that I want to talk about and I know that I for sure know that Lisa can talk all night and I'm sorry about these this internet connection but you know it we're just gonna have to roll with it you're gonna be pixelated it's just I think it's my end I have to blame me since I'm in the boondocks but maybe next time we can figure out how we can get a hard line to Lisa maybe we can get a webcam set up with her computer so at least it's not Wi-Fi but we'll get all the little kinks worked out in the future but Lisa again why what are your thoughts about this what are some of your closing thoughts about why it's important to stand up against this well I you know first and foremost liberty is so important and people have forgotten that people died so that we could be free and you know we are set free from the consequences of sin and the consequences of death by the blood of Jesus Christ and we can be passed from death into life and we know we can know that we have eternal life but God also wants us to be free that's that's all all throughout the Bible and you know you you think about that verse I was at the Friends Church yesterday to my friends invited me to a Bible study and a verse that jumped out to me was Hebrews 2 15 so I think I sent that over to you and it's you know I'm paraphrasing but essentially what it's what it's saying is that because people feared death that they were willing to be in bondage and so what are we seeing right now people are so afraid of the corona virus when even even though they have like more of a chance of dying of so many other things that they don't think about like car you know driving their car or whatever but because of that fear because the government the government-owned media has propagated this fear onto the American people at such such intense propaganda and you know silencing all dissenting voices that show that they're lying people have this ingrained fear that we can no longer at this point even having a rational discussion showing evidence to the contrary so fear is does not allow your critical thinking to work and we have to you know when we went around the room at the Bible study and they were like what's something you know share something that you want the Lord to do right now and you know mine was I want I want the Lord to quench the spirit of fear the fear is not from God and I you know I said I want the Lord to quench the spirit of fear and to press on the hearts of believers the value of liberty and if people don't realize how many people sacrifice their lives so that we could be free they're they're just never going to get it they're never going to realize how important it is to fight for our rights fight for our God-given rights they're trying to pass mandates that are taking away our ability to breathe it can't get any worse than that I mean you can because but so but yeah we're on such a bobsled to to full-blown despotic rule that people have to wake up and I can't so this is where a good place to start you know just equip yourself with you know Peggy Hall can equip you you just memorize all these things and it's not even a lot you just have to memorize like four key points that that stores our public accommodations here's the civil law here's how you can't have a policy that violates civil law you know very simple things to memorize and you will feel so empowered and she even has something new that you can actually print off copies of discrimination violations so that I'm gonna print some of those off so in the next time I get kicked off and be like oh I'm just gonna document so you are refusing service to me so you and again I just learned this so I have to be more on the verbiage but but yeah that's another tool and it's very empowering because you're gonna put them on the instead of being on the offense they're gonna be on the defense like well you're citing me for for discrimination you're like yes yes I am well yeah I can't say I can't say it enough we gotta gotta fight well I really appreciate that and you put it so so nice and I thank you for coming on and you you sent me this quote from Patrick Henry and I wanted to show that real quick if if life so dear or peace so sweet has to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery forbid it Almighty God I know not what course others may take but as for me give me liberty or give me death and I think that's a great quote I appreciate you sending to me and I think that's a great way to end the show here tonight Lisa you're you're awesome I love you love your family make sure to tell everyone I said hi and yeah guys this is our first show we're just getting back going this is the new set I have two other sets that we're gonna be doing two other topics with so we're gonna try to do a livestream a day I don't know if we're gonna be able to do it but I'm gonna do it for a while here and I might pull back a little bit but I really appreciate Lisa coming on maybe I want to be able to get Lisa on at least a couple times a month because she is just so knowledgeable about so many different topics and I love to hear her talk she puts everything so eloquently I definitely cannot speak that way so I really appreciate her time make sure to head to framing the world support us guys you can get our new the new book to the store pale rider about the Spanish flu of 1918 how it changed the world it's a good book and it shows that this is nothing new but the the way they're doing things now is just so draconian and you know that actually killed a lot of people this this thing that we got going on now is not not as deadly as people are making out to be but thank yes have people checked I think there's going to be a protest like a not you know good people assembly at the state Capitol I believe on the 11th I just heard about it today so I haven't looked it up okay great for that so definitely do a little research see if that is gonna take place because I guess there was one yesterday that I found out about today oh no yeah I know and people need to go to those things show because you know the the mass of people all the news media shows up and if no one's there then they make it seem like no one cares but again this is a way to show the numbers that people are sick of these rules and laws and it's a way to make your voice heard numbers demonstrate what a constitutionally protected peaceful protest really looks like because we're seeing a lot of things that should not that are not constitutionally protected and we're seeing a lot of you know crazy protests so yeah awesome Lisa thank you so much for joining us here today guys I I just I love to be able to talk to people and talk to the experts I really have nothing to bring to you but you know that's why I have people like Lisa on because they actually do the research they study these topics out and are very knowledgeable on these subjects so again I appreciate Lisa all her time that she's given us tonight thank you guys so much for supporting us at framing the world I really hope you consider to donate to us through the patreon account that is definitely a huge blessing but I hope you guys have a good night and remember don't wear those masks so yeah all right guys god bless