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What is up everybody? Welcome to the gray area podcast, where we have conversations that people are afraid of with the people they're afraid of. And today I have somebody I've been watching for a very long time. He may be the only person, only person that the LGBT hates more than me. So ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, I want to welcome Pastor Steven Anderson. Thanks for having me on. Hey, of course, man. I was showing, you know, a lot of people think I'm just the most harsh person ever and I get a lot of hate. I saw somebody, I saw somebody, your interview from a news station from like seven years ago. And somebody said, Brian said, he makes you look soft. I said, that is crazy. Yeah, so first off, how are you doing? How's the church going? How is life? I'm doing great. I mean, the church is thriving. We were, we had a packed house on Sunday morning. And so YouTube has been censoring us super hard. So we literally have to create a new YouTube channel every single week. And we just have an email list where we let people know where we're streaming, but they are shutting us down every single week. But as far as our physical crowd, it's packed, you know, 350 people on Sunday mornings, few hundred people Sunday night, Wednesday night. So yeah, going strong. Amazing. Yeah, YouTube is like that. I've had music videos banned. I don't know if you noticed, but I'm a rapper. I've had multiple videos banned on YouTube. I've had songs banned on Spotify because they were deemed as homophobic or whatever you, whatever they say. So I definitely understand how they throttle people. They'll shadow ban you, they'll outright ban you. I am very used to that, but you are actually also, so people know me for being the most banned rapper in the country. And this was funny. You're actually also more banned than me. You're literally banned from countries. Is that true? Yeah, I'm banned from like over 30 countries right now because I was banned from Canada. I was banned from England. Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Holland, Jamaica. I'm kind of losing track, but, and then, and then I got banned from like 25 countries at once cause I got banned from the entire Schengen area of Europe. So that put me up over 30 or something. So what does that mean? Like in action, like if you literally try to get a flight fare, like what would happen? Yeah, I'm not even allowed to have a layover in these places. Even if I don't even enter the country, the airline will just kind of take me aside. They won't let me check in, you know, I'll go to check in and they'll take me aside and say, hey, you know, we're being told that security will not allow you to board this flight and whatever. And you know, by the way, even when I fly in the United States, a lot of times I'll go to just check into a flight, say from like Phoenix to Dallas or something. And I'll try to check in and it'll say, go see an agent and they have to call security. And I have to wait while they get like clearance for me to fly. And think about how weird that is. When I have no criminal record, I, you know, I'm just a totally squeaky clean guy. I'm a Bible believing Christian, but just because of preaching the Bible, I'm treated like I'm some kind of a menace to society, even just trying to fly on a domestic flight. I mean, it's crazy. That is so, that has happened to me before. Not as much as you, obviously I stopped flying planes because they're trying to force a muzzle on my face and I don't do that. But I tried to get on a plane in Chicago and they said I was blacklisted. They didn't give me a warning. I didn't get an email, but I was blacklisted. And I had to like send all my Twitter followers to harass them for them to actually let me on a plane. Or I was going to be stuck in Chicago with no car or nothing. And you seem to go do these things on the regular, which is nuts to me. So why are you banned from other countries? Is there a single situation that happened or is it the overall message you have? Why are you so banned? Well, each of these countries has banned me separately from one another. So they gave different reasons, at the different times that they banned me. Like when the United Kingdom banned me, they listed a bunch of things that I had preached as why I was being banned. And it wasn't even all about homosexuals. I think one of the things that they listed was about that. But one of them was something that I said against Mohammed, where I said that the founder of Islam, Mohammed is a pedophile. And because he literally married a six-year-old and consummated the marriage when she was nine. I mean, that's a fact that even Muslims will readily admit to. But that statement was listed on the paperwork as this is hate speech. This is not allowed. You can't say this. And then just preaching against fornication, there was a quote listed where I was ripping on fornication and women being whores and everything like that. I mean, it's different things. But obviously, the rest of the countries that banned me, they pretty much all cited hate speech toward LGBT whatever. I mean, that's the big one. Yeah, I get that, that hate speech. I'm banned on like almost, I think I'm probably still on a few social media sites, because a lot of them have banned me because of it's always hate speech. I'm literally the only person, I don't even curse in music at all. Like I don't curse. And I'm the only person that has had a song banned from Spotify and not picked back on. The only artists, I'd always ask them about killing people, murdering each other, gang banging. Women talk about being harlots all the time. This is all music is about. But all I gotta do is say something like being trans isn't a real thing that doesn't actually exist. You can't transition into another gender, it doesn't exist. And then they banned my entire catalog. So I feel you 100%. So what I want to start with though, is my favorite interview of all time coming from you. And I'm a blank guy. I don't need 10 minutes to answer a question. I don't even need five. When somebody asks me a question, I answer it in two minutes. You had an interview, I forgot which news place it was. I don't know if it was USA Today. And I literally watch this at least once a week. And he asked, he's like, so are you a hate monger or a religious zealot? Which one are you? And you said, well, I'm a religious zealot. And I just, listen. Listen, that made me so happy watching that. Like so happy. And then when you read the Bible, if I'm not mistaken, it was Leviticus chapter 20, verse 13, if I'm not mistaken. You read that verse to him and you said, I didn't write the Bible. I didn't do this. The Bible says it. And then you even said, I'm not saying it's Christian's job. It's the government job to make a capital punishment. I love that. But that was like seven years ago. So sometimes, I'm not saying you have, by the way, I know you haven't, but I'm asking this question for the viewers. Have you switched that view or does it remain the same? No way. I haven't taken back anything. I still believe exactly the same thing. And you know what's funny about that interview is that I had a bunch of interviews set up that were live interviews. Cause I got sick of doing these prerecorded interviews where you sit there and they talk to you for 45 minutes and then they just take like two sentences that you said out of context. So I started saying, I'm only going to do an interview if it's live. So I had a couple, I had like three set up and then I did that live interview and then the other two canceled. They're like, nope. What's funny is that the reason that you're pointing back to that interview from seven years ago is because literally that was the last time I was ever interviewed by the media. Cause what happened is shortly after that in 2015, they held a press conference in Phoenix with like some of the local politicians and media. And they said, we're never going to protest Pastor Anderson again. No more protests at his church, no more interviews. We're not going to fight him because this is what they said. We're just making him more popular. We're just getting his message out. So they have just completely just gone silent on me for the last seven years. They used to always report on stuff that I said or whatever. Now they just completely ignore me. So the only interviews that I've done over the last seven years have been on the Spanish TV station. Cause I guess they're not part of the cabal. Cause everybody else agreed, like we're not going to talk to Pastor Anderson, but the Telemundo didn't get the memo. I did some interviews in Spanish, but that's it. So they've just done a complete blackout on our church, which I mean, it's fine with me. At least we don't have a bunch of freaks and weirdos, like protesting our church anymore and surrounding our church building with perverted signs and stuff. So, I mean, it's been nice to just have peace for the last seven years, but it's just so funny that they don't want the truth to get out. The truth should fear no investigation. If what I'm saying is stupid, if what I'm saying is not based on the Bible, then you know what? Just let me say it and then people can just laugh at me and see how dumb it is. But the reason why they have to shut me up is because they know that what I'm saying is biblical and the truth is powerful. And so all they can do is just try to just slow us down on social media and just pretend we don't exist or whatever. So, an issue I've had is a lot of people, honestly, this might sound sad, but mainly self-proclaimed Christians, they seem to have issues of what the Bible really says. Now, I read the Bible a lot. A lot of people get confused because I am a rapper, but I read my Bible a lot and I've been doing so even when I used to be lukewarm 10 years ago. And the version quoted in that interview, the reason was one of my favorites was Christians never bring up that verse, not in churches, not in person. I'm talking about I know street preachers that will just not touch that verse that says they should be put to death. And also Leviticus has said that these people shouldn't walk on your land because they defile it and God actually puts them in the same category as people that commit bestiality in that. Why do you think so many Christians are so afraid of that part of the Bible? Well, I think that the reason they're afraid of it is because it's such a clear verse and there's no other way to interpret it than what it just outright says. And so I've challenged other preachers who said that I was wrong about this and even my own fellow like independent Baptist pastors and everything who believe that I'm wrong, I've challenged them, okay, then correctly interpret this verse. If I am interpreting this verse wrong, if I'm preaching this verse wrong, why don't you get up on Sunday morning and show me how to preach this verse properly? They just wanna ignore it and pretend like it doesn't exist. Like you have to do something with it. If you don't like my interpretation, then give me an alternative way to understand this verse that says if a man also lie with mankind as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination, they shall surely be put to death, their blood shall be upon them. So if you don't like the way I preach it, preach it your way, but they don't want to because what can you do with that verse? There's not much you can do with it. When I tell people and this is how I genuinely believe, I think people use the messengers as scapegoats because in reality, you hate God, you don't like God. Like a lot of these people don't like God, that is the truth but they don't wanna say they don't like God because they claim to be Christian. So they take God out of the equation and say, I hate Pastor Steven Anderson or I hate somebody else that preached this. Do you feel the same way or do you look at it in a different way? No, you're 100% right. And we see the same thing in the Bible where the children of Israel and the mixed multitude, they're murmuring against Moses and Aaron. And Moses says, well, who are we? Me and Aaron are not the issue. You're murmuring against us but we're not the ones who are doing this, we didn't come up with any of this, take it up with God. And so it's like you said, we're just the messenger and it doesn't matter who I am. I could be a man, woman, boy, or girl. It doesn't even matter if I'm a pastor, anybody who's speaking what the Bible says, that message is from God and we shouldn't worry too much about the person who's saying it. It's really what does the scripture say? And so it's easier. And it's funny in that exact interview that you're referring to, the guy keeps saying to me, well, what do you think? But what's your opinion? He's like, you keep hiding behind the Bible but what's your opinion? And I'm trying to tell him like, I don't have an opinion other than what the Bible says. Like, I don't care. It's just, what does the Bible say? It's not like I have some personal vendetta here. And you know what's funny? I grew up like everybody else in America, plugged into the culture and everything like that. I didn't just grow up with some extra hatred of sodomites or something and then I just tried to put that into the Bible or something. You know, I grew up just thinking like everybody else but then I started reading the Bible and I just conformed my views to the Bible. So I don't have a view outside what the Bible says. What the Bible says is my view because I don't feel like it's my place to just come up with my own opinions outside of scripture. You know, I'm trying to renew my mind based on what the scripture says. So yes, I am hiding behind the Bible. And yes, I am just a messenger just repeating what the Bible says. Same here, same here. I used to be worldly. I used to make really music and everything. Like I said, I was still sort of a Bible vumper so I still came out against things but I had a plank of my own and I had to take that out. But it says what it says and it really irritates me when I see people just deny the word of God in front of man. And people do it so often that those that don't do it are deemed crazy which is another reason I think you're banned from countries and things of that nature but other preachers, yeah right, they need that money. They need that fame. They don't got time to preach things that make people possibly leave their church and you just don't care. Which leads me to the next thing and then I'm gonna get to more questions but I'm talking to you. I'm surprised I'm talking to you. So I got to bring up my favorite pastor Steven Anderson clips. This is one I shared on Twitter quite recently actually. Like four months ago I shared this clip of you on Twitter and I got hate for it, but a lot of people loved it also. And this is when you said, I'm gay. I hope everybody's gay. He was like, you said, I hope my kids grow up to be gay. You said what I don't want them to be. I think you said are filthy faggots. Well, because you know, we're constantly being brainwashed. They're changing the meaning of words. Cause when I was growing up, gay just meant happy. Like you watch the Flintstones that we're gonna have a gay old time and Don we now are gay apparel, you know? And so, obviously I don't like that term because it's not a happy, nice thing. It's, it's wickedness. But you know, I want to make sure people understand too that, you know, 99% of my preaching is not about homos. You know, because obviously this is just the stuff that gets the attention in the media cause it fits their agenda. You know, I'm preaching the whole Bible. And so I'm constantly preaching about salvation by faith in Jesus Christ. And I'm preaching about his death, burial and resurrection. I'm preaching the word of God on all subjects. And this is a, one of the smaller subjects in the Bible but I'm not gonna neglect it because it is super important because it's a battle that's going on right now in America where this is taking over this sodomite mentality. But obviously I talk about a lot of other stuff too. You know, I'm trying, I have a well-rounded normal Baptist church. I'm not running some hate group or whatever. Like they try to make it out. You know, it's a New Testament church. We're evangelizing, we're knocking people's doors. We're talking about Jesus. You know what I'm saying? And listen, people, once again, this is why I like you so much. Cause people say the same thing about me. All you talk about is gay people, Bryson. I listen to my music. I talk about whores just as much as I talk about gay people. If not more, I talk about gay people, gang banging and killing each other just as much as I talk about gay people. But nobody cares when you bring up that stuff because nobody is out protesting, saying gang banging and killing people is a good thing. And nobody should be, there's no gang, there's no murder parades. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I call out adultery a lot. No, there's no adultery parades going on. So nobody really cares about that that much. Or I talk about how women dress. Now people do get mad when I talk about how women dress. Or when I talk about obesity and things of that nature. But it's still not as much. There's something that shifts in people's minds when you talk about the LGBT community in a very negative way. And I don't know if you've researched me beforehand, but I'm a conservative. And when I realized about the conservative movement, I'm trying to get a lot of hate. I think I've lost like almost 6,000 followers in the last month and a half because I don't wanna turn on the word of God. So when Trump comes out and says he supports the LGBT and I say, well, that's quite disgusting. Then people say, oh, I can't follow you anymore even though I've been saying this already. And yeah, something happens. I don't know what it is, Pastor Steven Naddison, but something happens when you talk about this group of people. Well, you know what's so funny is that like, if you think about rap music as a genre, okay, it's always like really edgy and really offensive. And a lot of times it seems like it's going for just shock value of how offensive it can be. But what's funny is then you say something that goes against the mainstream narrative and then everybody freaks out, but they're not freaked out about all the other offensive things in rap because isn't all of rap music filled with something that's offending somebody? That's, this is the argument I made to Spotify when I tried to get my song pit back up. I said, wait, people can curse all song long. People can talk about robbing and killing people. I don't know if you know this, but there's rappers that literally gang bang on music. Like they talk about who they killed. They say the names of the dead person own the song. And these are the most, some of the most popular songs that's out right now. And, but all I do is go against the LGBT, feminism, the hyper-sexualized culture. And then I get banned and I get banned from things without warnings and no way to get it back up. I can't sue them or anything. It's hilarious to me how the left is now, because historically the left has kind of been the rebels and they're standing up to the man and all this stuff. But then nowadays the liberals are the ones telling you, hey, you need to cooperate with everything the government says. You need to get that vaccine. And how dare you say anything against homos. And it's like, they're basically just in lock step with what the government wants them to do and think and believe. It's like, wow. So in reality, the irony is that the biggest way to be a rebel right now is just to be like a straight laced conservative Christian. That's like the most rebellious, you know, I joke around and say that I'm like the punk rock of Baptist preachers, ironically, just by being normal, just being straight laced. I'm this rebel, this counter-cultural guy. It's kind of funny how that works. That's how I feel too. And honestly, it drives me a lot of times. It's sort of like you feel like you got a responsibility but you wanted a few people doing something. You're like, man, nobody else is gonna do it. Well, man, I have to do it. And yeah, so I sort of love it. So one more LGBT question then we go on to two other topics I want to get to. Like I said, I don't want the podcast to be overly long. But something, there's something you said and a lot of people, I personally would take it out of context, but they may not. And I know you're an honest person so I can just ask you. So me, obviously I believe in the whole Bible and the Bible clearly says in Romans that gay people are given over to a reprobate mind. And a lot of people don't like the word reprobate or they try to change what the word means. The word means where you fall away to the point of no return. I mean, that's just simply what the word reprobate means. And a lot of people get angry when I word it like that, but that's the, I don't, what you want me to do? I didn't make the word. My question is, do you believe that all gay people are reprobate? And the reason I ask that is because I've had a few people who said my music has helped them like leave that sin. So do you think that's fake or do you think all gay people are reprobate? Well, here's what I think is going on is that, the Bible describes the people that are reprobates in Romans chapter one as burning in their lust one toward another and so forth. And I do think that because our society is so perverted and these things are being crammed on our throat, especially with like children and teenagers growing up, they're being told, hey, maybe this is you. And often they're being psychologically abused in classrooms and by so-called mentors or whatever. So I do think it's possible for someone to experiment with that lifestyle, even though they're not a reprobate, even though they're not burning in lust one toward another. Like I talked to this one guy where he got molested as a kid, so that totally screwed up his mind. So then later he experimented with that one time, with being a homo one time, but he was grossed out by it and realized, hey, this isn't for me and whatever. That guy's not a reprobate. He just got his mind like warped. So I do think it's possible, especially maybe under the influence of drugs or alcohol or people got molested, they might dabble in that or experiment in it without actually being a full-blown sodomite. But these ones who are full-blown sodomites, these out and proud homos, I do believe that they're reprobates because to me it's the only way that explains how they got that way. Because they're not like the rest of us because the rest of us are repulsed by that, whereas they want that. And so how did they get that way? The world will try to tell you they're born that way. Of course, the science on that never panned out. They tried to go to the science and that failed. They say they're born that way. A lot of Christians will say, oh, they're just like everybody else, but come on. They're not like everybody else. Something's broken up there. And I believe they got that way because of Romans chapter one. They've been given over to that reprobate mind. They've been given over to vile affections. And so I do believe that sometimes people could just be confused or experiment or something, but the ones that are all the way off the cliff, I believe they're total reprobates and they can't be saved. That's why I believe. And the time I defended you on this topic, that's exactly what I thought you was going to say, but I was like, hey, I tell everybody all the time, I could be wrong, but I think people are missing the point of what he's saying. So thank you so much for clarifying. And I do have a question I didn't plan. I didn't plan this question at all, but this situation is more recent to where, you know, homos have infiltrated the conservative movement at a crazy level lately. And there's this one guy, I'm not going to say his name out of respect. We were talking about this one guy, and then I'm asking people that's defending him and saying, I'm the bad guy. Like have y'all call him to repentance personally, privately, I don't care how you did it, have you done this? And they say, no, it's not their place. And I said, but this man claims to be a Christian. He claims to go to church every Sunday with his, you know, he would say husband, but I say partner in crime, because obviously the fact that the marriage bed was shouldn't be a crime. And he got a church with this person. And I'm like, am I crazy or should that be happening? I thought Paul explained who should be kicked out of a church, you know, but this is just me. So how was your view on that? Yeah, I mean, you know, like you said, the apostle Paul in first Corinthians five, you know, talks about even Christians who are openly living in fornication, which is a hundred times more normal. Even that is grounds for church discipline. And yet today even conservative, you know, fundamentalist independent Baptist churches are saying that these dudes are welcome. They're allowing dudes in drag to come to the services. And look, I don't want my kids to look at that. I mean, I don't want to bring my kids to church and they're looking at a dude in drag. I don't want my kids to see that period. School, anywhere to be honest. But you really, but the last place you'd expect to see it is a church. If there's one place where we have a little bit of an oasis from that kind of madness and insanity, and plus, you know that they're not in church for the right reason. They're not there because they love the Lord. They're there to infiltrate the church because they want to infiltrate the conservative political party. They want to infiltrate churches. They want to infiltrate schools. They want to basically just permeate every part of society. I agree a hundred percent. It was funny as I'm glad you quoted it. I brought up first Corinthians five and basically people tried to say it was out of context. So I did not challenge anybody to come on my live stream and explain to me the context that I'm missing. Nobody took up that offer and we just ignored it. So that's that. So now I'm gonna just move on to Azure topics and anything else pop in my mind, I will bring it up. Another thing a lot of people know you for that I wasn't that familiar with because I had started watching you later, but is the Obama thing where you said something about Obama. And by the way, if anybody doesn't know that the same sex marriage bill was passed over road state votes in 2015, which is under Barack Obama. Most states voted no on same sex marriage, including California also voted no on same sex marriage. But the Supreme court said, we don't really care what y'all think of y'all belief system. We pushing this on you anyway. And that happened under Barack Obama. Even though I know people that watch me don't really like him anyway. So what was that situation? And I don't, I just wanna know. Yeah, well, here's what's going on with Obama is that there are at least 19 Psalms out of 150 Psalms in the Bible, 19 of them are what's called imprecatory Psalms where David or other authors are basically praying for the Lord's enemies to be destroyed. Like you'll be reading the book of Psalms and it'll say like break his teeth out of his mouth, Oh God, and let them go down quick into hell and let them melt like a snail and everything like that. And so I basically prayed some of those imprecatory prayers toward Barack Obama because he was so wicked and destroying our country. And I wasn't the only one that felt that way cause I even saw a bumper sticker at the time that said like pray for Obama. And it said like Psalm 109 verse eight, let his days be few and let another take his office. And even my grandma who was over 90 years old at the time, my grandma said, I'm praying for something to happen to that idiot. Like that's what she said about Obama. But here's what I thought was so funny is that everybody freaked out and acted like I was so evil and I don't understand the Bible and all these different things. But then just literally like two or three weeks ago, Christianity Today, I think it's called, it's like a big Christian website. They just came out with an article that says that it's okay for you to pray for Putin to die because of these imprecatory prayers. And they were bringing up the exact same passages that I brought up and they said, you could pray for Putin to die because of these Psalms. But isn't that kind of funny how that works? As long as it fits the mainstream narrative agenda, all of a sudden these passages and Psalms are legit. But when Pastor Anderson's applying them to the wrong person, all of a sudden they're not legit. Yeah. You went at the chosen one, Pastor Anderson. So that's the issue there. Speaking of Psalms, a lot of Christians hate the Psalm chapter five also. As we go to chapter five, verse five, it's a very clear context verse. And then it confirms itself in Malachi chapter one, verse two, group three, then Paul restates how God felt about Esau in Romans also. Anybody in the chat, if you haven't read those verses, please do. But I'm glad you explained that, thank you so much. And I already knew this. All these answers, I feel like I already know what you're going to say, but it's still crazy hearing you say it to me in real time, in real time, in real time. Now, a thing that I, what I also didn't know is a lot of people in my Twitter wanted me to ask you this. If you don't want to answer this, fine. They said you support vaccines or something of that nature, something about you and vaccines. I got like 10 tweets about it. So here's the deal. I have 11 kids. They're not vaccinated. Okay, so there you go. I've sired 11 children that are not vaccinated. I'm totally against vaccines. In fact, not only that, our church wrote a letter for people like a religious exemption letter to help them get out of taking the COVID vaccine. So hundreds of our members took advantage of that letter, but not only that, hundreds and hundreds of people from outside of our church emailed our church and said, hey, I want one of those letters too. And so we're literally like mass producing these letters, people all over the city. People are coming up to me at my kids' homeschool PE group saying, hey, I need three of those vaccine letters. I got three buddies that need them. So our church is like a vaccine exemption letter factory. Okay. But this is why people were accusing me of that because I was basically saying that I don't think it's a sin to take the vaccine. I just think it's stupid to take the vaccine. I don't think it's healthy. I don't think it's good for you. But I was just saying, it's not a Bible sin issue. That's my opinion. And so I told people in my church that we're in a certain situation where they were being forced to do it. I said, hey, you just have to decide what's the most important thing to you because if your job is super important to you and you're gonna lose your job, maybe you might just bite the bullet and take the vaccine. I was just leaving it up to people, but I made it super clear that I was against the vaccine and whatever. But it's like, you just can't win. Like somebody's always gonna get mad at you. I kid you not, a couple of guys came and stood outside our church with holding up signs protesting me saying that I was for the vaccine. Even though I gave out like 1500 exemption letters, at least 1500 exemption letters. So it's like, you just can't win. Yeah, you really can't win with people. The one thing that just stood out to me is you said you have 11 kids. Yo, soul-based, I'm one of those guys I think you're supposed to be fruitful and multiply. I plan to marry my girlfriend soon and start that because I've been celibate for over 10 years and I wait until I get married. I'm assuming your wife is a stay-at-home mother also. Oh yeah, and by the way, she's pregnant with number 12 due in June. So let's go. Listen, when I have concerts, a lot of like, cause that's the stuff I rap about. Like have kids, get married, you know, this is like, I literally, I rap this and it sounds kind of cool. But so at a lot of my concerts, sometimes huge families will come and it makes me so excited. It's like those are the most interesting people to talk to. They homeschool their kids and it's just so fun. And I'm guessing you plan to keep going until it's over. I mean, why stop now? If I've gone this far, I might as well go all the way to the finish line. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Listen, I don't know how long we've been going. Those are the few questions, but I always ask people this on my podcast as the ending question. What is your message to the world? Like, like what is like, like, if, if, if you could do one speech and everybody in the world could hear it, it could be as short as possible. As long as we had one thing that you wanted everybody to hear in today's a in 2022, what would that message from pastor Anderson be? Well, that message would be that salvation is only by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. It's not of works, lest any man should boast. Because so many people think that they're going to go to heaven because of how good they are. They go to church, they gave up this sin or that sin. But the Bible says, there's none righteous, no, not one, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And when the question is asked in the Bible, what must I do to be saved? And they said, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved. It's the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. You believe on Christ, all your sins are forgiven past, present and future. I was never good enough to be saved in the first place. I'll never be bad enough to where he'll take it away from me because it's 100% by grace through faith, I'm saved. Now by works of righteousness, which we have done, but according to his mercy, he saved us. That is pastor Steve Anderson's message. And I wish you would come back on because I think if we go into theology, you will actually disagree probably a little bit more on those topics. That's a long conversation. That's a long conversation right there. And if you're willing to come back on, then like on a separate day, then I would love for you to come back on. I wonder if I have any more questions before I let you go though, because I have you right now in front of me. That's usually where I end the podcast, but I'm trying to see. I mean, I got time if you want to talk about anything else. Where do you think, well, I would love to talk theology with you, but I want that to be a separate podcast like for an entire podcast. But where, so 10 years ago, a lot of people, and I'm sure you were one of them, was warning people about what would happen if we continue letting degeneracy just roam free without calling it out, without doing anything about it. And within seven years, like I said, same-sex marriage bill passed in 2015, and it's 2022. So in approximately seven years, we've run from gay people claiming they wanted marriage. We went from that to men beating women in sports, like dominating them, like crushing them. Like I'm talking like beating them bad. I'm talking about, everybody's talking about the swimmer right now, but have you seen some of these MMA fights with trannies? They beating the crap out of these women. This is in seven years. And I don't know if you know, but something called zoophilia is on the rise, which is nothing but cold for bestiality. USA Today has tried to normalize pedophilia, which is a natural next step from where we at now. How bad do you think it's going to get? Well, I think it's going to get as bad as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah eventually, because you know, that's what the Bible says, as it was in the days of Sodom, so shall it also be in the days of the coming of the son of man. And so I don't know if there's going to be any kind of a like two steps forward, one step back, but man, it is just going crazy. We're on a bobsled to hell in this country when it comes to the morality. And I don't believe that the LGBT so-called will ever be satisfied. So if you ask like, how far is it going to go? They're never going to say like, okay, this is far enough, because whatever you give them, they just want more. You know, first it's just about getting married. It's like, no, no, no, we want to have kids. But even if you let them get married, let them have kids, whatever, the next thing is, well, we need this to be taught in schools to your kids. And then it's like, no, teaching it in sixth grade, that's not enough. We got to teach it in third grade. It's got to be first grade. It's got to be in kindergarten. They will never stop because one of their attributes according to Romans chapter one is that they're implacable. And that's not a very common word, implacable, but what it means is that there's no way to satisfy them. You can't placate them. They're always going to want more. That's why it's so stupid to try to compromise with these people because you're compromising with somebody who doesn't want to compromise. They will just take and take and take. And you know, it's going to be everything on the table eventually, bestiality, pedophilia, you name it. It's all going to be out there. There's no bottom with these people. So true. And that's, that's, I'll say it's already happening. Zoophilia is more like underground right now, but it's, it's, it's a lot of articles about it. People telling you their zoo, zoophilia stories, them falling in love with their animals. I mean, once you say things like, love who you love, who can judge you for loving who you love, once you've been pissed stuff like that out there, you have to then be consistent from that point on. And once you have to be consistent with that, it can lead like anywhere. And you're right. I honestly think we're worse than Sodom and Gomorrah as we speak, at least, at least in this country. And then Western countries love trying to force this on other countries also, which is disgusting since 70% of this country still, to this day, identify as Christians in this country. Well, that's what the Bible says. If the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness? Because really just, if only just the Christians would stand for what's right, then that would be enough. But the problem is, it's the Christians that are backing down. It's the Christians that are attacking people like me the most. I get more attacked from my fellow so-called fake Christians than I do even from the world. And I mean, I'm not the only one preaching this stuff. I have a lot of preacher friends who preach all the same stuff that I do. I don't know if you've heard about some of the stuff that's happened to them, but like my friend pastor Bruce Mejia out in Los Angeles, California, the sodomites literally put a bomb in his building and blew up his church building. Did you hear about that? No, what? Literally, they bombed his building. And then what was the reaction from the media? What was the reaction from other Christians so-called? Was like, well, it serves him right because he preached something hateful. And so that's what you get and he deserves that. And that's what they said. And then another pastor friend of mine, Pastor Jonathan Shelley out by Dallas, Texas, okay, his church was getting vandalized, protested, break through the window. Finally, a judge ordered him to be evicted from his building saying that he had violated his lease agreement because of his preaching. So it's a church and he's preaching the Bible and he literally got thrown out of his church building evicted. Hang on one second. Yeah, yeah, you fine, you fine, you fine. Oh, by the way, chat, I didn't have a set up to take calls here because if he was in studio, or not studio, in the room, then it will be easier to take calls y'all. But I will try to set up calls next time, like through Discord or something. I'm gonna try to have Pastor Steven Anderson back on so we can get some deeper theology stuff. But currently we're not taking calls for this because I don't have it properly set up. Sorry, y'all, sorry, y'all, sorry, y'all, I apologize. I'm reading the chat as he do this. We love our Catholics, but this guy's base, yeah, he's pretty base. All Christians of every domination need to rise up against the generously. Yeah, I agree with that also. I agree with that also. Dude, you would not even believe what just happened right now. I'm not even playing. What happened? I kid you not. That was literally the police knocking on my door right now because somebody called in some bogus thing where they were in, the police were in my house. Like I'm not saying they were knocking on my front door. I'm saying they just knock on my office door because of just some, I guess just some hater or some idiot. I don't know if it's somebody who's watching this broadcast right now. Could be. The police literally just called the police on me to my house and the police literally just came in. And once I told them, hey, everything's cool. I'm the homeowner. And they said, oh, we heard there's a shooting here. And I'm like, what are you talking? But it kind of freaked me out. So that's the kind, but see, that's the kind of, you know what's so stupid about stuff like this is people do this kind of stuff to me all the time or they order a bunch of pizzas and send it to our church or they'll do these kinds of stupid things. But what's funny is that, you know, whose time they're really wasting is the pizza delivery guy's time and the policeman's time. You know what I mean? Like these people, they don't care about anyone but themselves. They don't love anyone but themselves. So like, they don't care that they're wasting the police's time. They're wasting police resources. They're freaking us out. But it's like, at the end of the day though, it's like, okay, I'm not really freaked out because this isn't my first rodeo. I've been doing this for 16 years. But what I'm saying is like, what do they hope to accomplish? You know, sometimes we just eat the pizza because we're just hungry anyway. But it's like, you know, why punish the pizza place? Why waste the police's time? It's like, do they really think I'm gonna change my preaching because this happened? That's the part that always freaks me out is like, what do you want? What is the goal? Like a lot of people, I get DMs all the time. Bryson and I used to love you. Now I have to delete all of your music because I get this actually quite on a consistent basis. It's almost like people claim they're big fans of mine. They obviously haven't listened to my album. And even to my album, you will instantly be like, okay, Bryson obviously stands for these values. And it's almost like, once they do, they'd be like, you have to delete your music. And I'm like, oh. Oh, so like, they act all surprised about something when they should have already known that you believe that. That's like, people will listen and claim they listened to me for years or whatever and then be like, oh, I just found out what you believe about the sodomites. It's like, come on, you knew that. It's so crazy to me because if this happens on a consistent basis, because like I said, the conservative movement is getting more and more degenerate about the day. You had two homosexuals that claimed they pretty much bought a kid through surrogacy and they got congratulations from all of the top conservatives. And of course I said something about it, lost followers then. And then you had somebody, like I said earlier, somebody said they go to church with their husbands and that's what they should be. And I'm like, what are we talking about? And then I get all these DMs, you know how that, I mean, you go through it too. You know how it is. People act like they watch you and then they hate you when they find out the truth. Yeah, so isn't it crazy though that, like I was saying, my pastor buddy out in Texas, how basically a judge can evict a church from the church building because of the preaching now. I mean, that's unbelievable. In America, where's the first amendment? So when this guy's getting evicted, this guy's getting his building bombed, okay. And then I'm over here with the police coming to my house during this interview. May the last ring. Now that I think about it, cause we've been at this for 45 minutes, I guarantee you it's one of your listeners. I'm not saying one of your listeners, but you know what I mean? It's one of your trolls, one of your haters. A lot of, listen, it probably, listen to me closely pastor Steve Adams. I'm sure it is. They follow me everywhere. It's almost like there's a group of people that go and attempt to get me banned from everything. And it does work. It works sometimes. They can't ban me from this website though because there's a website, the person I know actually created the live streaming website so you can't ban me from here. So that's why I do it on here because you can't do anything about it. But yeah, they got me banned on Twitch, on videos, been on YouTube, Spotify. I'm banned on so much, man. I lost count. But like I said, that's 45 minutes, man. Thank you so much for coming on. If you want to say anything, tell me where to find you, tell me where the church at. I know you're banned on everything. So I don't know where anybody can follow you. The easiest way to find my preaching is just go to thepreaching.com, just thepreaching.com. And they can go to our church website, Faithful Word Baptist Church. And there's literally thousands of hours of MP3s there. Obviously, it's tough to keep anything on YouTube, but it's all out there somewhere. But yeah, thepreaching.com. Yes, sir. Once again, thank you so much for coming on. And I hope I can get you back again sometime in the near future. Yeah, so I will go longer like right now, but we pretty much are getting kicked out the house. The owner said that they have to move back in and that was written. So I was like, and I'm traveling so much this month, I got like a week to find another place to live. So I got to get on the ball. Like I said, man, thank you so much. God bless you. God bless your family. Keep having children. Yep, thank you. Have a good one. Thanks for having me on.