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Show me a verse that even has the phrase pre-trib You're never gonna find it. You're never gonna find anything pre-trib. It says after the tribulation in places Does it ever say before the tribulation? I don't even see anything close to pre-tribulation Matthew 24 verse 29 immediately after the tribulation in those days shall the Sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the Stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken and Then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven and Then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven With power and great glory. So I believe in a post tribulation rapture. That's what our church teaches That's the doctrine of the church. You say what clear statement you have Well, how about verse 29 immediately after the tribulation of those days? Okay, there's a clear statement Number two, what about the context? What is Matthew 24 about? Well, look at verse 3 and as he sat upon the Mount of Olives the disciples came in and privately saying tell us when shall These things be and what shall be the sign of thy coming? Hey, I'm gonna tell you exactly when I'm coming I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a whole chapter dedicated to my coming and you say well I believe his comings after the tribulation Based on the chapter about him coming and when he said that he was coming after the tribulation I mean, it's almost too obvious Where where is your here's here's their chapter on the preacher of ation rapture Well, it's revelation chapter 4. It says John come up hither What's the context of Chapter number 4 is it like about Jesus Christ coming? No, it's way before his coming, isn't it? It has nothing to do with the coming. It's confusing Why are these things false? Look these things seem simple. I'm trying to make it clear why they fail They fail because they don't have a clear verse they fail because they're not in context and they felt that I'm supporting passages Go view it at first lesson in chapter 4. I'll give you a supporting passage for this But mark 13 is the one that changed my mind because the Bible says but in those days after that Tribulation the Sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars of heaven shall fall the powers that are In heaven shall be shaken and then shall they see the Son of Man coming the clouds with great power and glory You know mark 13 was a chapter of the Bible that I decided based on my wife asked me a few questions that I wanted to study that chapter and understand it and I read that verse and I just thought after that tribulation that just seems really clear. I Mean, I've never seen it like that before I just never like read those words and just let them sink in for half a second and Then verse thessalonians chapter 4 is where I turn it says in verse 16 for the Lord himself Heaven with a shout with the voice of the Archangel with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds To meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord? So the Bible in first verse in chapter number four is talking about the coming of Jesus Christ It says that there's a voice like the shout of a trumpet the Bible says in Matthew 24 There's a trumpet it says at the coming of Jesus Christ. They're both with the clouds They're both gathered up together with them. Wow, that sounds like a supporting passage Why because that's what the Bible teaches. That's why we believe it go to second thessalonians chapter 2 flip the page look at verse 1 Now we beseech you brethren by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and by our gathering together unto him they be not soon shaken in mind or be troubled neither by spirit nor by word nor by Letter as from us as at the day of Christ is at hand. I believe Christ would come at any moment I've literally heard preachers read this verse and then say that and I'm thinking like that's the exact opposite of what just said Verse 3 let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come except they're coming of falling away first and That man of sin be revealed Michelle Obama. No, I'm sorry. I Have more confidence that she's the man of sin Then that the mark is the mask, okay, I got that from brother Dylan Who the pose of the exalted himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped so that he as God said in the Temple of God showing himself that he's got when is the Antichrist revealed? It's not in this presidential election. I'm sorry. Okay, it's not with Michelle's coming-out party. Okay It's when the thing Stands in the Holy Temple and declares himself God after he's received the deadly mark in his head That's when it's fully revealed. That's when it's odd So here's the thing. Why do I need to worry about who the Antichrist is until that happens? I don't number one and number two, it's gonna be real obvious There's gonna be a guy that dies and then comes back to life three days later and then calling himself God and the temple of God that's a pretty clear picture and Then you say that's the Antichrist whatever that is