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I preached a sermon at our fire-breathing Baptist fellowship called, you know, Stay Away from Saul, and I specifically called out Tommy McMurtry, Pastor Tommy McMurtry of Liberty Baptist Church for attacking God's people and being stubborn and sticking to his sins, okay? And, you know, after that, he called me and we talked about it. Really, it was just he's talking to me, but most of the conversation, you know, he wasn't repentant about anything he did. He basically just shifted the blame and constantly acted like he didn't really do anything wrong, and it's like, look, you know, everything I said is provable, you know, all the things that you've done, all the slander that you've said, you know, in my opinion, you blackmailed Pastor Thompson, and he's just like, nah, I don't think so, and it's just like, yeah, you did. I mean, here's the evidence. It's like you've been slandering people, lying people. In fact, there was people that had committed felonies against our church, and he had received, you know, he had received bank statements from people from a church that he didn't even go to, and then after finding out that these people had committed felonies and crimes, he then continues to use that information that was given him, and I'm like, and I said, oh, this guy's consorting with people or taking information from people that are felons and still using it, and he's like, oh, when am I consorting with them? And it's like, look, it's one thing to take information from somebody and not realize how bad they are, but then once you realize how bad they are, why are you still using that information? Why are you still relying on that information? You know, he even said things on the phone to me about like how horrible my friend Pastor Thompson is and how like we have these like secret meetings where basically we're conniving together, and he's like, Pastor McMurtry is saying that I'm conniving with Pastor Thompson and making up lies about Tommy McMurtry to preach publicly to take heed off of Pastor Thompson. I'm like, what are you talking about? I've never had, like none of my friends or me have ever told each other what to preach ever, and usually any time I've even given people suggestion, they don't preach it, but they want to claim that we're like this denomination or that we just tell each other what to do or we connive together or something like that. It's like Pastor Thompson doesn't even need to defend it on anything. There's nothing to even defend. And he told me, he said, look, all you're going to do is preach against me forever. You're just going to constantly, you can't let things go and you're going to constantly preach against me. And I'm like, I don't even care about you. I don't want to mention you again. I'm not, I don't, you know, whatever. And I said, look, I'll promise you, I won't tell, I will not preach against you publicly again unless I call you first or talk to you first about it. Okay. And I was not planning on saying this tonight, but then he texted me a bunch today and I told him, I said, fair warning. This is going to go public. So, you know, there's his, there's his, he got his warning. Okay. But there's another pastor, Pastor Boyle, Pastor Patrick Boyle of Revival Baptist Church, which I've been pretty silent about for a long time. Now he took our church in Jacksonville. Now, if you don't know these things, you know, come see me after the sermon. I'll explain it or whatever, but we gave him a church in Jacksonville, Florida in 2020. It was in March of 2020. Okay. Approximately in that timeframe. And the only reason I gave him that church is because I thought he would be a better fit for that church. I thought, you know, I'm not going out there that often because I'm so far away. I've got other church plants. I can only see these people so much. He's closer. He could go there every Thursday. And I said, you know what? He's a better pastor for them than me. And I, and I truly believe that I sincerely thought that was a better option. So I'm like, y'all have him. You know, he, you know, it's a marriage made in heaven. I thought, and, you know, he was excited to take the church. And, you know, from my perspective, it was fine. I mean, cause there's still soul winning church. He's preaching there. He's letting the other guys preach there, you know, whatever. Then he started preaching some weird stuff about the King James Bible and kind of showing his Ruckmanism and, you know, had some other issues. He was like praising Adam Fannin from the pulpit, like asking him to pray for their services when he visited in Orlando and stuff. And, but at the same time, I was just like, you know what? That's his business. You know, there's still soul winning church. God bless them. I hope they just reach people for Christ. Who cares if they're, I mean, it's not like in heaven, the Ruckman. Ruckmanites are going to be on a lower level or something like that. Those that are saved, you know, and I'm sure there's still some Ruckmanites that are saved. I know Peter Ruckman's not in heaven, but you know, like there's probably some people that have come under his influence that are in heaven. Okay. And if you get saved and they convinced you to use the King James Bible with really bad reasoning, at least you're still using the King James Bible. Right. And I've said that before. I'll say it again. And my test for fellowship is that you're saved. You got a King James Bible, you know, and I don't want to attack churches. Have that going on no matter what they say. But for whatever reason, I guess Pastor Boyle's decided that I'm like the biggest scum of the earth and he like preached against me so hard and I'll even say this. I was not even planning on mentioning him tonight. McMurtry stirred me up. Okay. I was going to let it go. And I'll even say this, even after all the horrible things that Pastor Boyle said about me, my initial thought was to pray that God would bless him in his church because, because I think that's what the Bible teaches, that when people are saying evil things about you and falsely accusing you, you're still supposed to pray for their blessing. And I don't think that Pastor Boyle is a horrible reprobate or something like that. I just think he's just misguided and, you know, has some issues, but you know, he's still saved and still reaching people. I mean, look, you and I are not going to go to Orlando and get anybody saved anytime soon. And if their only option is, is Pastor Boyle and his church members going and knocking on their door and getting them saved, I sure hope he does. I'm not going to get anybody baptized in Orlando anytime soon. I sure hope someone goes and knocks on their door and gives them the gospel and gets them baptized and gets them into church and whatever. You know, I'm not going to sit here and start attacking people for being a fundamental Baptist and soul winning. Like that's not my goals is to see how many godly people I can tear down because they're not like me exactly or they disagree with me on things or whatever. But Pastor Boyle preached like a whole sermon. You know, it felt like it was dedicated to me, but at least one section was for sure. And it was, it was about my use of the F word. Okay, here's my perspective. I'm totally fine with other preachers not agreeing with me on that issue and saying that it's wrong or even preaching against it. I don't care. In fact, I have friends that are like that. You know, one of my good friends, Pastor Bruce Mejia, he doesn't agree with me on that at all. He thinks that cussing is a sin and he's preached that. And he doesn't think he would think that that's wrong. But you know what? He's still my friend. He doesn't attack me about it. Okay. He might. And if he, if he tells me it's wrong, he'll just tell me it's wrong and, you know, whatever. But, you know, he preached that cussing is a sin in 2018 and in 2020 I preach cussing is not a sin. And it's like everybody wants to hold me to his standard. And it's like, just because Pastor Mejia preaches something doesn't mean that that's what I believe. You know, he can believe that and I understand why he believes that. And I respect his opinion. I disagree with that. Okay. And I still love him. I still think he's great. And you know what? Why would I dislike a guy that doesn't want to use bad language, quote unquote? That's one, that's fine. You know, I don't care. Now you say, well, I don't like that. That's okay. You don't have to like that. You don't even have to agree with me. That is fine. But I didn't change my doctrine in 2022 when I preached that cussing is not a sin. And then I used the most extreme version of that probably. Okay. Now we can all argue whether or not that was the right decision or the right judgment. And I can see both sides of the aisle. But here's the thing. I believe I have liberty there. I did it. I said I'm sorry to those that are offended to it. And I don't want to use it through the pulpit on a regular basis because I don't want to offend people. That's not my goal. It was to make a point that people are offended by the word and it worked okay. It meant to prove that people are brainwashed into thinking that censorship is a real moral issue when it's not. Okay. And it's like these guys don't even get the point that I was making. Pastor Boyle said that I am a Bible and I'm just summarizing. This is not a direct quote, but I'm just summarizing what he said I am. He said, I'm a Bible corrupting pervert who is defiling children like Sodom, and that my church has disgusting fruit and that my grandchildren are going to be Ichabod. That's what he said. In fact, why don't you just wait and you say, Hey, preacher, I think you're going a little hard. Why don't you just go join that work and follow the fruit and you'll get disgusted with it after a while? Because that's not the end. That's just one of many fruits that are coming. And then you just stick around Revival Baptist Church and you watch from the sidelines and you watch where we are in 25 years. We raise decent moral people who love the Lord and are still so many. I want my grandson not to be named Ichabod, but to have a New Testament in their hand out so many for the Lord Jesus Christ with the pure words coming out of his mouth. They perverted the words of God. They perverted the pulpit of God. And God says, I'm against you. You imagine your child. You believe in capital punishment if someone defiled your child. God says, you're just Sodom and Gomorrah to me. Their mouths must be stopped. So the Bible says. And then, you know, who said amen to that? Tom and McMurtry. And I'm just like, what in the world? Like, I get disagreeing with me. Okay. I can see why I know people that disagree with me that I love and I respect highly. But then they call me all of these names and they say all these things about me. And I'm just thinking like, what in the world? And of course, he's like saying, oh, his mouth must be stopped. I'm like, okay, let's go to Titus, chapter number one. Let's even just let's like look up some of these things that they're saying about me. You know, they're like, oh, filthy communication. Well, it's funny because I preached a whole sermon called filthy communication. Go listen to it. And I address. It's funny because I like bring up all the same verses they do, but I actually bring them out in context because, you know, it's filthy communication. Preaching a false gospel. You know, it's filthy communication describing sin. You know, it's filthy communication, blaspheming God. You know, the Bible never says it's filthy communication using certain four letter words. I'm sorry. It just doesn't say that and it doesn't fit any of the context. Now you can decide that it's gross. But what happens when they decide the word cow is gross? Like I evidenced in my sermon about cuss words is that now I can't use the word cow. Isn't Jesus Christ even considered one of the worst things you could say if you used it blasphemy in a blasphemous way? But I love using the name Jesus Christ. We sing about Jesus Christ. I mean, this is just this is nonsense. And then they're saying that my mouth must be stopped. OK, why don't we just look up that phrase and see what the Bible is actually saying? Titus, chapter number one, verse 10. For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, especially they have the circumcision. You know, the circumcision, the Jews, the Christ rejecting Christ, killing false gospel preaching Jews whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not for filthy lucre's sake. They're saying that about me for having used a certain expletive. I mean, talk about taking something out of context. And I mean, let's just let's just stop for a moment. Let's just say that I committed a horrible sin. OK, let's just say I did right. Well, can't I just get right with God and then just move on and be like David and just keep winning the battle anyways? Why do I why does my entire mouth have to be stopped just for having used that one bad word or whatever, even if that was the worst thing imaginable? I mean, is that really the worst thing imaginable? Some only say it's like blasphemous. I've heard this online and I'm thinking, like, is Joe Biden God? I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, and they say, oh, well, you're using something like a bedroom talk. And I'm like, I wasn't saying that about Joe Biden, my friend. You're sick if you think that's what I meant. You're the one that's kind of perverted. If you're going to say that's what I mean. I mean, if you're going to say what what does that word mean? It means damn. The equivalent would be damn. And God and the Lord Jesus Christ constantly use the word damn in the Bible. OK, that is the modern equivalent to what was said and what was meant. I didn't even say it in a derogatory way. I was saying in an explanatory way. And yet they still want to condemn me and say that I'm like Sodom, that I'm defiling children. You know, you can believe whatever you want. They want our entire church to just overthrow me as a pastor. And they say that. Not only that, I mean, Tommy McMurtry, he said in text messages to me about it because I said, I don't think it's fair that you called me all these things. I said, it's fine if you want to preach against what I said or you disagree. I just think it's unfair for you to call me all these things. Let me just give you direct quotes, OK? I said I would expect for pastors who disagree with me to say something about it to their church and even teach differently. However, I don't believe it's fair for Pastor Boyle to call me a Bible corrupting pervert with disgusting fruit who defiles children like Sodom and will have grandchildren named Ichabod. I also find it bad to say amen to such accusations. I still believe you and Pastor Boyle are saved pastors getting people saved. And I hope God will bless your churches. I wish you guys wouldn't misrepresent my position and slander me because I think there's a lot of validity what he is saying. What? There's a lot of validity to what I mean, which part is the valid part that I'm correct? I mean, I didn't. How can I corrupt the Bible with a word that's not even in the Bible? I didn't take anything in the Bible and then twist it to something. I'm just using some extra biblical word, which even Pastor Boyle is saying, like, we shouldn't use any extra biblical words like Bible. Like, I mean, what does that even mean? Like, what are you even saying? Like, I don't even understand these people's doctrine. It's about as intelligent as Ruckmanism that says that speaketh and speaks are different words that says that everlasting and eternal are corruptions. I mean, if you're going to tell me that John 3 15 and John 3 16 being swapped, eternal everlasting is a Bible corruption. Now I can see why you label me a Bible corruptor because you don't even know what that means. Like, and how quick are you to label people with these harsh labels that are considered brethren? I mean, I really just don't get the logic of these people and I still want to think that they're saved and good men generally, even though they may not like me, but it's just, it's completely bizarre. Now I'm trying to find, I want to find this, this quote, but Passerby Ritchie texted me and he basically just said, Hey, I want to, I want to know what happened. Did you really apologize about this? Or, you know, what was the situation? So like out of courtesy, just told him what happened and was even saying, Hey, I don't care if you preach about me or even say that you disagree. Just please don't call me these horrible things that really are just a slander. Right. And then he's just like, Oh no, that's valid. And you know, you basically are guilty of all those things. So we kind of went back and forth on a few different items and I don't necessarily, I don't want to necessarily bore you on all that, but he basically said that he didn't have the power to overthrow me as the pastor, but that he wishes that my church would. Also, he said that he's, the reason why he wanted to text me and preach about this is because people keep associating us together. So, so let it forever be on the record that we're not friends. Okay. I still wish the best for him. I hope God blesses the church and they get people saved over there. But you know what? No association. It's been erased. None. Now, of course, look, if the guy apologized for everything he did wrong and wanted to be my friend, I would probably, you know, help him out if he ever needed it. But I don't believe that would ever happen. He doesn't want to be my friend. And he, and he brought up a bunch of stuff about how when I preached against grace and Fritz, I had mentioned about his wife, uh, lying about pastor Thompson. And I brought out a story. Go, go to Deuteronomy 25. Okay. Go to Deuteronomy 25. Like, when does the sermon be over? I don't know yet either. Okay. He said this about me. He said, your preaching is often over the top and clearly meant just to just shock people. And you regularly twist or pervert scripture to do it. Your mouth should be stopped. It's a shame your congregation won't do it. I don't have the power to do it, but I do believe you need to be publicly marked. So it's like, it's like this guy is like no different than our protesters. It's like, he just wants our church to be destroyed. And it's like any church that just rallied against the pastor and just over through the pastor is basically just going to destroy that church. It's a stupid idea. I've taught this in the past and you know, he's preached like whole sermons on how to just dismantle a church, like how the congregation can basically rebel against their pastor and throw them out. I think that's wicked. I'm strongly against that. And look, if your pastor is doing something wrong, you can always go to another church. Number one, you could confront him and hope that he gets it right. If there's truly something, some kind of an issue. But I mean, if your pastor was just so egregious, like, you know, Greg Locke, just divorce his wife and like marry the secretary or something like that. Obviously, if your pastor did that, the whole church could be like, hey, look, we're all going to leave unless you step down. And that's fine. But I don't think you should pick the pastor up and throw them in the parking lot. OK, that's wicked. Just like David got mad at the guys that were going to come and kill Saul. It's like, yeah, was Saul wrong? Should Saul step down? Absolutely. But you know, it's wicked to go and put the sword through Saul's belly. You don't do that. OK, it's not your place. God will take care of it if he needs to take care of it. And I've heard this argument. It's like, oh, you really? You know, you're just making where there's no accountability for pastors. You know, it's like I go to a church where God removed the pastor and the congregation didn't have to. The whole congregation didn't know anything virtually. I mean, you might have suspected stuff, but I'm just saying, like, nobody really knew what was going on. Nobody had a clue. No one was going to be able to stop that crazy train. It was God that just confused all these people and brought all the right events together to basically just allow the church to keep going. And why wouldn't I think that God would do the same thing in every scenario? It's God's church. It's not my church. You know, it really frustrates me. These people, it's like they have no faith whatsoever. They just think like everything has to be in their hands or something like that. Look, I just go to church trusting that God will take care of everything. God will expose everything that he needs to do. You know, it's so funny that it's like their life goal to expose a new IFP church or something. It's like, why can't you guys just fade into a non-existence? I think it's because they're so boring. They have nothing to do. It's like Michael Johnson's sermons get five views. So then he has to preach like a four-part series against me so they can get 200 views on his sermons or whatever. Or whatever. It's like I should be sending them a bill for the fact that they have so much to preach about the last few months or whatever. But he gets so mad. And I said, look, another thing I never told your wife, Pastor Tommy Marchery, that her hands should be cut off literally, which they keep like making this lie about me saying that I told, I preached that Pastor's wife's hands should be cut off literally. And I'm like, okay, I preached a sermon called Loud and Stubborn Women. And I brought up how women intervening in a men's spat that according to the law, they would have their hand cut off if they grabbed the guy by the secrets. Look what it says in Deuteronomy 25, look at verse 11. When men strived together, one with another, and the wife of one drawed near to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smited them and put it for their hand and taken them by the secrets. Then thou shalt cut off her hand and I shall not pity her. I believe that. Number one, because it's in the Bible. Now, number two, just because the law has a really specific interpretation doesn't mean we can't extract the principle from it. What is the principle from here? The principle is that women shouldn't get involved in fights between men. Now, of course, this is not talking about like a home invasion. OK, folks, if someone breaks through the house, your wife should have a shotgun just as well as you. OK, and it's also not saying that women cannot kick or punch a guy in the secrets. Let me tell you something, if you're caught in an alleyway and there's a guy, you kick him in the secrets as hard as you can. You punch him, you fight dirty, you poke him in the eye, you, you know, poke him in the ear, you kick him in the secrets, you do everything nasty and mean you can. OK, what's this talking about is two men, they're in the fight for honor, right? Two guys are in a fight. It's not, no one's going to die. It's just, it's basically about a respect fight and it's disrespectful for the wife to go in there and sack tack the guy, you know, while he's getting beat up, you know, sack tap, whatever, sorry. It's like, no, she needs to stay out of it, right? And what could be another application? What if two guys are just arguing, it's not right for her to break into the argument and basically use some cheap shots or do some cheap sayings or whatever to attack them. And that's what Daniel Fritz did. Grace and Fritz wife, where there's an argument between Grace and Fritz, Pastor Fritz and Pastor Thompson, they're arguing and then she comes in and just lies about Pastor Thompson. And I said, hey, her thumbs should, I'll give you the exact quote because I even typed it out, all right? Because I know people, you know, don't actually believe exact quotes anymore or something like that, but I actually looked it up just to double check exactly what I said on this point because I'm getting all this flack for it or whatever still, which goes to show you it's not about the F word. It's about their just hatred and the heart that they've had the whole time. But I said, stop letting those thumbs post those stupid garbage texts and posts. It should be cut off. I'm not saying literally, okay? It's not Sharia here. And then they say, he literally said that it should happen. How many times can you slander me? And then I did say later, I said, if we lived in a righteous society, it would be. But that was in context of the fact that this law would be the law, right? The application. I wasn't making this application to texting folks, okay? If your wife makes a bad text, don't get out the knife. All right. It's not the Japanese game show with Chris Farley. Who knows what I'm talking about? We don't believe that for texting something you shouldn't have texted, your hand should get cut off. That's stupid. No one believed that. But then he has to just falsely, he just goes online, just blows his mouth mouth off. Oh yeah. Pastor Shelley believes that data for his hand should be literally cut off. He said like, oh, my wife doesn't ever defend me online anymore. I don't know if that's true. Because the pastor taught me that her hand should be cut off. That's stupid. These people are just still bitter in their heart. They hate having been called out for doing something wrong, for being a slanderer, for having done evil, and instead of just getting it right, they just dig in, or they blame other people, or they shift the argument, and then they suggest that my entire church should be destroyed. Look, I think these guys have slandered and railed, and I'm not even asking for God to destroy their church. I don't want their church members to rise up and throw them out of the pulpit. Even though, look, their issues are 1 Corinthians 5 issues. I mean, they're literally railing on me constantly. And then falsely accusing me of being a railer. Tommy Mercury was calling me a railer because I had said that some people had stolen our money and committed felonies against our church. And he said, oh, well, where's the record? I'm still waiting for the record. And I said, oh, so you actually have, just because they haven't prosecuted the person, I'm a railer now for saying that? I mean, would I be a railer for calling David a murderer and an adulterer in the chapter that we've read? Because there wasn't a human government record. There was no, I mean, where is the human record to call David a murderer and adulterer? You know, I mean, I guess we just have to have it on the physical record for it to be true. You know, O.J. Simpson's not a murderer. Bill Clinton's not a murderer. George Bush isn't a complicit murderer in 9-11 because we haven't had the human trial. I mean, Jeffrey Epstein isn't really a pedophile because he died in prison before getting convicted of all of his crimes. I mean, what kind of logic is this? And why are you so quick to want to defend people? Why are you sitting here saying like, well, I don't know if these guys are felons or not, you know? You're just, you just seem like a bad guy labeling, you know, them felons or something. Yeah, for committing felonies, you idiot. If I witness a murder, I'm not going to be like, well, I'm going to wait until, you know, the final record comes out and the jury votes him a murderer to say he murdered someone. I'm going to be like, he murdered someone. If I witness someone committing felonies, yeah, you better believe I'm going to go to the cops. And you know what I did? I filed a police report and they said, hey, what crime was committed? And I'm like, these felony crimes. And they were like, you're a railer. I mean, how else would you report a crime if you're just an automatic railer when it hasn't even been proven yet? I mean, you have to report the crime first and then you have to let law enforcement do their job. But I guess, you know, I mean, who could, how dare you say that Hunter Biden has done anything illegal? Where's his trial? Huh? Hunter Biden's done nothing wrong in my opinion. I mean, where's the record, buddy? Hillary Clinton's clean as a whistle, buddy. Hmm. All of her witnesses are dead. What kind of logic is this? You know what? I don't know what these guys plan is, but them already just publicly saying it or saying it to me that they want to destroy my church, put me on enough alert to say, hey, have nothing to do with these people and their church members be extremely leery of because there's some bad church members in these churches. Like Pastor Boyle's dad is like one of the most wicked people I've ever seen. He's a flat earther. He denies that hell is eternal. He mocks soul winning. He mocks easy believism. He mocks Pastor Anderson. He mocks like, you know, anti-feminism rhetoric. It's like, what in the world? I mean, the guy is just so evil. Yet, I guess that's welcome at the church, you know, just not Pastor Shelley, right? You know, because Pastor Shelley might use the wrong word, but it's okay to be a flat earther. It's okay to be attacking soul winning. It's okay to attack the gospel. I mean, what was Titus one about? It was about people that are attacking the gospel. You know, there's all kinds of other railers that go to that church. I've seen it and it's not shocking. You know, they talk about our fruit being disgusting. Do you know it's an interesting admission to me? Because when me and Pastor Murci talked about it, he said, he's like, man, I just have this feeling you're constantly like, you know, railing on me or lying about me. And that's why I never asked you to preach for me. This is a while back. And he's like, but for some reason, your church members never seem to be going online and like railing about me and lying about me and causing me any kind of problems. Yeah, but then it wasn't to talk about my fruit. And it's because like, oh, maybe is it because from the pulpit, I screamed at my church and said, if you're lying and railing about him, you're going to be in trouble with me. And then it's interesting that their church members are railing and lying about me on a regular basis. I wonder where that's coming from. I wonder what the source of that fruit is. And it's also interesting, you know, I don't see any of my church members running around screaming profanity. And I'm constantly like, oh, man, Pastor Shelley, you know, they're such a cult and they're so violent. None of my church members care about violence. My church members aren't going around screaming profanity. My church members aren't going around railing and lying on people. My church members aren't these keyboard warriors. And you know what? It makes me mad when people are lying about my church members saying it's disgusting fruit because honestly, it's one of the greatest churches I've ever seen in my life. It's wonderful people here. We don't have a spirit of gossip and a spirit of railing and a spirit of just all this evil that they want to constantly falsely accuse us of. And you know what? I would take it personally if it did. And I would try to fix it to the best of my ability, you know, because as a pastor, you know, it's not just you that's affected by what you preach. Everyone's affected by it. And if I'm all these horrible things, I would see it manifested in all my congregation. You know, I just don't see it. And maybe y'all are just all better than me. I hope so anyways. But, you know, it just it really look, I was not planning on talking about it. I don't want to talk about these guys anymore because I know that they just want attention. And I've already preached don't feed the trolls. But the reason why I am is because we're on a lot of attack right now. And the devil has not been successful in attacking us inwardly right now. He's only been like outward attacks. But I know what these guys can do. They could try to corrupt some people in here and start trying to get a rebellion or start trying to get a little squash. So let me just make it clear. If you want to overthrow me for saying the F word, you better get out. Because you might hear worse words than that. I'm I'm serious. Like, that's stupid. I mean, and talk about an attack on the gospel because these guys aren't coming to talk anytime soon to get me to anybody saved, just like I'm not going where they are. Why do they want my church to be stopped so bad? You know, why are they so interested in me going down so bad? You know, is it because I expose them for lying and railing and slandering? I mean, what is why do they just want these churches to go down so bad? It's pride. They just want to be they just want to be like justified. They left the new IFB or they railed about the new IFB. This is what I've noticed about railers is they believe if they can somehow get you to be guilty of their railing in the future, justified their railing. So they'll rail about you about being a liar or slanderer or doing something evil, even when you've never done it, they're going to try and provoke you to end up doing it. So then they end up being justified. They did it. So they'll just lie about our church being disgusting and gross and evil and having all these problems, even though it doesn't, hoping that eventually in the future it'll happen and they'll be justified in their response.