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What they believe and teach is this, though. If you really have faith, you're going to have works, because that's the evidence. Well, let's go to the famous passage they love to see if faith always is accompanied by works. James 2, verse 20. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Now, this is a very famous verse they quote. And they will quote this and say, well, see, if you really have faith, you're going to have works. Then why does it say faith without works? Faith without works, meaning you can have faith with no works. On their own verse they quote, yes, faith without works, you can have faith without works. They'll say, well, you cannot have faith without works, because the Bible says faith without works is dead. It's like, what in the world? It says faith without works. It says right there that you can have faith without works, okay? Now, notice this. It does not say faith without works sends you to hell. It says it's dead. It's a dead faith. What is a dead faith? A faith that doesn't produce works. Let me ask you a question. Let's say, for example, you try to turn on your computer today after service and it won't turn on. Try to get it fixed and it won't turn on and everything like that, it's just not working. Wouldn't we say that's a dead computer? Does the computer exist? Yes! But we'd say it's a dead computer. Why? It's not producing anything. Did you know that a dead faith exists? Look, if I die right now, I have a dead body and I'll be sitting right here, right? I'll be lying right here. Does that mean my body doesn't exist because it's dead? Look, I mean, when you bury bodies because they're a dead body, they exist. The bodies are there. It's just a dead body because there's no life being produced, okay? There's nothing being produced, but the body's still there. A dead faith exists and what a dead faith means is you don't have works accompanying your faith. But that does not mean the faith doesn't exist, right? People believe on Jesus Christ all the time and don't have works. And my proof that you can have faith without works is the verse that they're going to quote to you. Faith without works. There you go. It does not say faith without works sends you to hell.