Thanks everybody for joining us for a special episode of the Baptist bias
I'm your host pastor Shelly or on X as a band pastor and
Things are heating up in the Middle East
So we figured it'd be a good time to just drop a special episode and talk to somebody who's been going pretty viral on the internet
Viral on X about the Israel conflict, but before we get to our guest
I'm gonna drop it over to my co-host been the Baptist. How's it going Ben? It's going great
Excited to be here to talk about current events, Zionism, Israel, Iran, everything that's going on. It's been crazy.
It's been such a fluid situation. I feel like I wake up in the morning and then things are just completely different than they were the day before.
It's rapidly evolving. Even just a few days ago, it looked like we were going to be talking about World War 3 potentially,
but then all of a sudden it seemed to have calmed down a bit. I'm sure we'll get into that and some other things as well.
We've got plenty of clips. We've got a guest.
There's so much to talk about here.
It should be a jam-packed episode of The Baptist Bias.
Thank you for tuning in, everybody.
It's so chaotic.
It's almost as chaotic as Ben's earpiece,
whatever's going on with all that.
That looks horrible.
I didn't realize it looked that bad.
Wow, we don't even have a planned show. We're basically going to wing it kind of like what it seems like our foreign policy
I think I fixed it. Yeah, you're right. I think I this is better put me back. Thank you. Sorry about that guys
I didn't realize it looked that was pretty impressive what you're doing. It looks so bad
But we're excited about the show. We're also going to take Collins if you want to drop in give us a chat
got a question you want to ask. We're talking about pretty much the Israel-Iran conflict. I want to
talk about what the Bible says about Israel a little bit, some of the clips that have been going
out there pretty viral on the internet about this issue. Also, we can just talk about anything new
IFB because, you know, I'm in the new IFB fan club and I love it. And so we're going to bring on our
Seems like you've been kind of blowing up like the Middle East lately on social media. What's going on with that?
Yeah, we've been really doing great on X. We started out the beginning of the year with
5,000 followers on X and it was kind of just a dormant account that I hadn't used in many many years because I was just never really a
Twitter guy. But once I heard about Elon taking over X and how there was free speech and everything it seemed like a great gig for us.
So starting at the beginning of January, I've been posting on there and I think we're up to like
22,000 followers now just in a short time and honestly, I think I just gained like seven or eight thousand followers on there in the last like
Three days or something just because I've been posting a lot of Israel stuff
And and I preached a couple sermons on Sunday that were pretty relevant. So yeah, thank God. He's been blessing that
Well, and it seems like some of your clips have gotten a lot of attention several hundred thousand views a lot of big accounts
Also sharing because it doesn't seem like there's a clear voice or a clear leader
At least from a biblical perspective or from a church perspective on kind of an anti Zionism view
I'm sure that there are some, you know
Pastors and peaches that have alternative views, but for the most part, you know, kind of seems like you're one of the only game in town
So I feel like it kind of reaches a wide audience
I don't know. Is this something that you set out to do is just kind of make elite make yourself a leader in this
Genre or is this is something you felt like, you know years ago?
No one was talking about and you just felt like it was important like kind of give us an idea like
How are you kind of just so such a lightning rod on this Israel issue?
Well, I think a lot of people have woken up to it recently, and because they've woken
up to it recently, you know, they're going to need a little more time, maybe, to kind
of fully develop their views, study the Bible and everything, whereas I came to this view
20 years ago, and I've been consistently preaching on it for the last 20 years.
So I've just had more time, you know, to just be reading the Bible with this in mind, thinking
about it, preaching sermons.
I've been having the arguments for 20 years.
I've had everybody come back at me
with all their counterpoints,
and I've just got the experience.
And as far as, did I wanna be a leader
on this particular subject,
when I first learned about the fact that
the Jews are no longer God's chosen people
and that the modern state of Israel is a fraud,
I had never heard anybody say that
in my life that was a Christian.
You know, I'd seen non-Christians that were anti-Israel or anti-Jewish, but I'd never heard of any Christian believing that way.
And this was when the internet was really in its infancy.
So it wasn't really as easy to find like-minded viewpoints or people.
And so, you know, I just found it from reading the Bible, studying the Bible, praying.
And then I was nervous about preaching it because I was like, man, nobody else is saying this.
preach something weird or something that nobody else believes in and so I really dug into my
Bible and decided to read it two times cover to cover just to just to make sure just thinking about
this issue two times cover to cover before I preached anything just to make sure I didn't go
off half cocked and then right as I was finishing up the second time through a guy gave me a
who is the late pastor of Faith Baptist Church in Canoga Park, California,
and he's also the person who won my grandpa to the Lord and won my dad to the Lord.
So, you know, this is somebody that had been influential in our lives,
and I listened to this sermon tape, and he was preaching out of John chapter 8
where Jesus says to the Jews, hey, I know that you're Abraham's seed,
but you're not the children of Abraham. You're of your father, the devil.
and he expounded that whole passage.
And that made me feel so much better,
like, okay, I'm not alone here.
Here's a seasoned old pastor
who is seeing the exact same thing in the Bible
that I'm seeing.
And of course, it turns out, of course,
there were always millions of people
who understood this and saw this.
It's just that sometimes we live in a little bubble
of our group of fundamental Baptist, our camp, our friends.
And so now with the internet,
you get exposed to a broader array of views. So, you know, that was 20 years ago. That was in the
year 2006. Fast forward to 2025, still preaching it. It's been super unpopular the whole time I've
been preaching it. And, you know, now all of a sudden it's blowing up and getting super popular,
which is awesome because, you know, now my sermons are resonating with more people because it's
And so praise God that the work is paying off,
people are waking up.
Also, our film, Marching Design,
which came out in 2015, was extremely influential.
And pretty much anywhere you go on the internet
when people are talking about the Jews and Israel
and being negative about them,
typically Marching Design comes up
because it was a big movie.
So thank God for that.
I was gonna say that.
I was gonna say, I feel like Marching Design
definitely was one of the first tools
breaking the ice for a lot of people,
maybe the plow to break up the fallow ground
on this particular issue.
And then there's been a lot of other seeds
that have been planted along the way,
but I've definitely seen a lot of people
that don't really seem to be Christian even
or Baptist sharing clips from marching to Zion
or maybe one of your sermons
or one of your clips that had been made
or shared around and gets a lot of attention
on this particular issue.
I feel like there was a lot of steam behind you and other preachers that you're associated
with on this particular issue until we ran into that censorship, that major censorship
kind of in 2020, 2021, when we started losing YouTube channels, things like that.
So it's kind of nice to have X giving us a little bit of breathing room again, maybe
Instagram, Facebook, at least a little bit, so maybe we can appeal to a broader audience.
you know, this doctrine probably comes a little bit more naturally, uh, considering,
you know, your flying carpet background in history, but I'm just kind of curious,
like, how did you come to this conclusion about
you know, Israel, and you know, just for our audience to say, you know, we don't really believe that
Israel, the nation, the modern state of Israel is like the Israel of God, the Israel in the Bible.
You know, we have the viewpoint that the spiritual Israel is Christians and the church, the saved,
and that those who call themselves Jews today are the synagogue of Satan. They're not actually
spiritual Jews. God's not pleased with them. And I want to elaborate on that. I want to look at a
just for our audience's sake, but Ben, how did you come to that conclusion?
Well, here's the thing.
I'm like second-generation new IFB if you want to call it that maybe I'm too old to use that designation at 31
but I got saved from the new IFB, so I'm the fruit of the new IFB and specifically Pastor Anderson is on the air with us
obviously and so I was kind of just
Spiritually born into it meaning that as soon as I got saved. I'm looking at a whole bunch of preaching
I'm trying to absorb as much as possible and
You know, I watch marching to Zion, I watch sermons in addition to that, and that's all it really took for me
was that documentary and some of the other sermons that I saw on the subject.
The thing that I was hung up on, though, for a while was Romans 11-26, and so all Israel shall be saved.
It's not that I always believed in replacement theology from the moment that I got saved, just because, again,
fruit of the new IFB, that's what the new IFB teaches.
And, you know, obviously it's biblical. I saw it in my Bible reading as well, but my point is,
is that when people would come at me with all Israel shall be said, I wasn't quite sure how to
answer it, etc. And then, you know, obviously the preaching on that passage really helped me. But
to answer your question, I would say the new IFB is what helped me to recognize what the Bible
teaches on this subject. And now, as a more mature believer, I see it
All over the scripture. I mean, you know, there's pictures of it in the Old Testament
It is all over the Bible and to me it is the key to understand especially so many New Testament concepts is this idea of
the spiritual Israel replacing the
unbelieving physical Israel the the the doctrine of replacement theology. I think it's so important but
Yeah, you're just like a happy little french fry waiting for ketchup
And once you got that, you're just never looking back.
Yeah, and you mentioned it's natural.
And then about the carpets, that's
more of an Iranian thing, but I'll let it slide.
The thing is, though.
What about Lebanon, though?
I mean, isn't Lebanon anti-Semitic at all?
Anti-Semitic?
They don't like it.
In the actual country, the sentiment
is big time anti-Israel, for sure.
Now obviously like if you're westernized, they are they they're anti Zionist, right?
They don't like Israel as a nation-state. They hate Netanyahu, and yeah, they're anti Zionist for sure
But if you're a Lebanese and you've been out of the country for decades and you watch a lot of Fox News
You're gonna be Zionist and there's there's plenty of Lebanese like that
Because Fox News is Zionist. I mean they think you think that's why Tucker Carlson kind of got ousted
I don't know that that's the specific reason, but I'm sure it probably played a role, the fact that he was actually starting to ask questions about America's undying allegiance to Israel.
Well, he seems to be getting a lot of attention, and especially some of his clips.
Yeah, he's been a very popular voice in opposition to Zionism as of late, and one thing I want to say, because you guys were talking about...
Well, Pastor Anderson, actually, you were talking about how, for a while, what you were preaching wasn't popular, but I think we are seeing right now.
that Zionism, preaching against Zionism
and going against Israel specifically,
that has gotten super popular on the internet and on X.
I would say it's getting to,
it's like almost extreme though,
because we're like anti-Zionist
and a lot of people are like actually anti-Semitic,
like in the most literal way.
And so it's almost like we're trying to pull people back
the other way a little bit too.
But I wanna play, let's play a clip here of Tucker Carlson,
interviewing Ted Cruz on this, because I find it interesting. Ted Cruz is pretty Zionist.
Tucker obviously used to work for Fox News. And yeah, obviously, Ted Cruz is a psychopath,
in my opinion, personally, but he has like an LGBT child and he's got all kinds of serious
leftist issues, even though he claims he's a Republican. But
I do want to focus on some of the arguments that have been made, and, you know, Cruz is
claiming to be a Christian, claiming to believe in a biblical Zionism.
Let's see what he has to say.
Um, yeah, we can play, uh, well, that's, that's specifically on, are you trying to find the
one where he talks about how the Bible says you need to bless Israel?
Yeah.
Do we have that?
I have it on my, my X.
We can send it over.
Which one is that?
Yeah, I think it's two.
Sorry.
By the way, Tucker, it's a very weird thing.
The obsession with Israel. We're talking about foreign countries. It's hardly an obsession.
You're not talking about Chinese. You're not talking about Japanese. You're not talking about the British.
You're not talking about the French. The question, what about the Jews? What about the Jews?
Oh, I'm an anti-Semite now.
Senator, you're asking the question, Tucker. You're asking, why are the Jews controlling our foreign policy?
Senator, I am hardly saying that, and I have many...
That is exactly what you just said.
Well, actually, I can speak for myself and tell you what I am saying.
On behalf, not simply of myself, but of my many Jewish friends who would have the same questions,
which is to what extent, and it's interesting you're trying to derail my questions by calling
you an anti-Semite, which you are. I did not. Of course you are. And rather than be honorable
enough to say it right to my face, you are in a sleazy feline way implying it or just asking
There's nothing to do with Jews or Judaism. It has to with the foreign government isn't Israel controlling our foreign policy
That's not about the Jews said I'm asking you. You're the one that just called me
I think is sleazy feline. So let's see it's clear easy to imply that and I'm an anti-semite, which you just did no
I just when I'm asking you're asking you answer it
Give me another reason if you're not an anti-semite. Give me another reason. I will the obsession is Israel
All right, let's pause it for a second. So he's a basically saying
Anybody who asks questions about Israel is now an anti-Semite.
I mean, that's kind of the accusation that he's making.
And I heard a clip of yours, Pastor Anderson,
where you're kind of addressing this talking point specifically.
But I mean, are you anti-Semitic?
Is that fair to say, even if you talk about Israel a lot,
that makes you anti-Semitic?
What is he really saying?
Well, what's funny about this clip is that he actually had not even used the word Jews
at all.
Like he didn't bring up Jews at all.
He was talking about, as he said, a foreign government, Israel, the Israelis, Netanyahu,
and then he's just like, you know, why are you obsessed with Israel?
Why don't you bring up other foreign governments?
Well, maybe because other foreign governments don't have the same amount of influence that
Israel has.
this week there's literally a war going on between Israel and Iran and then we're dropping bombs
on Iran on Israel's behalf and then he's like why do you want to talk about Israel why don't you
bring up these other countries uh because these other countries didn't have us bomb around this
week like it's just so stupid to act like it's weird to talk about Israel when Israel is the big
thing in the news right now
then to just conflate that with Jews and Judaism when you know Tucker never
even brought up Jews he's like well you're just saying that the Jews are
running everything it's like it's sort of like when you know the parents get
home and the kid is like hey I didn't take a cookie out of the cookie jar and
like nobody even brought up the cookie jar
You know, he's got a guilty conscience, and he knows that the Jews are running the media and that the Jews are controlling a lot of the foreign policy, so he just gets super defensive when it's literally not even brought up at all, and he's just on a hair trigger to label everybody anti-Semitic.
I don't even know what anti-Semitic even means anymore.
You know, Semitic is a language family that includes Arabic, Amharic.
It includes Aramaic, it includes Maltese.
So, you know, what does that even mean, anti-Semitic?
Usually when people say that, they mean you're like,
quote, unquote, racist against Jews,
which again, doesn't really make a lot of sense
because Judaism is a religion, not a race.
Most of the Jews that I see are white, blonde hair,
blue eyes, red hair, freckles, they're whiter than I am.
You know, if I held my arm up to them, I'd probably be darker because I've been getting such a great tan this summer.
So at the end of the day, you know, these terms like anti-Semitic are just loaded, perjurative terms, just because he's losing the argument.
So it's just like, ah, you're, you're obsessed with Israel.
You're anti-Semitic.
It's like, bro, you're obsessed with Israel.
You're the one who literally just finished saying like five minutes ago in the interview that your entire.
Career is like based on how you want to be the number one
Proponent of Israel in the United States Senate
I mean that's what he said and then he turns around and accuses Tucker of being
Obsessed with Israel. That's what that's what we're talking about this week. The subject is Israel Israel versus Iran
And I want to play the second clip that we have here too, which it's kind of funny
It was labeled like the most uncomfortable two minutes and and I think it's really just for
Ted Cruz specifically, but I feel like he was just talking in the air
It's like he doesn't really know what to say. So he's just saying random stuff like why are you always bringing up the Jews?
And it's like okay, but that's not an argument
Even if I was bringing up the Jews all the time, let's talk about the actual argument and we finally get into some meat here
Let's let's listen to Ted Cruz and Tucker argue about Israel. I'm just asking what a pack does my understanding having normal
Is lobbies on behalf of the Israeli government? Oh
Okay, when was the last time a pack took a position that deviated from
Prime Minister Netanyahu all the time anyone
Okay, let me go back and give a little history if you want to do a deep dive on a pack. I don't I want to do a shallow dive
It gets no, no, no, no, I want to get to the core question a pack is lobbying for a foreign government
It's not no lobbying for the United States. It is lobbying for a strong u.s. Israeli relationship
Okay, and so it's not has nothing to do with the foreign government
It it wants America and Israel to be closely allied
Okay, but it's lobbying on behalf of the interests of another country.
So that's not true at all.
It's not true.
No.
How much contact do you think APEC leaders have for the government of Israel?
No idea. I imagine some I think the government of Israel is often frustrated with a pack
Do you think there's any not nearly strong enough?
Do you think there's any coordination between the government of Israel and a pack do they talk sure if you're lobbying for
More US Mexico trade would you talk to people in the US and Mexico in the government? Sure
There are tons of Americans who lobby on behalf of foreign governments. I know them. I'm related to some of them
I know how it works. I'm from here. So my question is not
Is it outrageous that foreign governments lobby the United States? They all do, okay, including Israel.
My only question is why don't we admit that is what's happening. You're denying it, but it's true.
Because what you're saying is false.
Why aren't they registered as a foreign lobby?
Because they're not.
They're not a foreign lobby.
No, they're not. And there's a fever swamp.
Look, it's not a fever swamp. These are very reasonable questions.
And you've accused me of being obsessed with Israel, which I'm not.
I'm just...
I find it, it's a very tender spot when you ask it,
and I don't know why.
Tender spot, so Tucker, all right, let's go back.
Okay, so, I mean, it's kind of funny that, you know,
Ted Cruz won't even say that APEC is advocating
for the Israeli government.
He just, again, won't answer the question,
won't really give him any leeway here,
just completely arguing, acting as if a coalition
to coordinate between American interest and Israeli interest is somehow not advocating for the Israeli government.
I mean, just on the surface, it's insane, let alone what we actually know about what they're doing
and how much they influence virtually every single politician.
Thomas Massey was one that came out and said virtually every Republican has an APAC handler,
funding them, telling them what to do.
And so, you know, why would we talk about Israel
over another country?
Well, we don't really have an organization
like, let's just say, Canada
or some other foreign country, Brazil,
where they have some kind of a handler
for every single one of our representatives in government.
So yeah, it makes sense that if you have
a particular foreign interest, a foreign country
a control over the vast majority, if not all, of our politicians, a large percentage of our
politicians in the presidential cabinet, on the Supreme Court, throughout history,
in all kinds of these different positions in the Fed, our Jewish, our Israeli, they have dual
citizenship in many cases. I mean, it's not, it's almost insane to think that you wouldn't ask these
that is advocating for Russian, you know, relations between America and Russia and almost every
single one of our politicians is advocating for Russian, you know, encouragement. We have,
they have a Russian handler. There's a disproportionate number of Russians in all of our country.
everybody would ask questions about Russia.
It's just you can't ask these questions about Israel
and then by coincidence, also Jews and Israeli influences
in the media, Hollywood, every aspect of our banking,
all of these different major institutions
that all kind of coordinate and work together.
So it just makes sense to ask the question.
The only reason you wouldn't ask the question
is because you don't have free speech,
you're gonna be censored, you're being paid for,
one of those particular things.
And it seems like,
Ted Cruz is potentially not wanting to ask these questions or talk about it because he's being paid for or he's being used to run
Interference here by not asking the questions. There is another clip. We I don't know if we can find it
Yeah, I have it. I put it in the chat and Tim's teeing it up. I think right now
So there's still one more clip that I wanted to get to do you have any you have any thoughts on a pack pastor Anderson
Yeah, I believe it's 75% of Republicans in Congress are taking money from APAC and then even on the Democrat side
It's like in the high 60s like 68% or something. You know, I don't know the exact number, but it's in that ballpark
And so yeah, it's a massive influence
tiny country tiny population
Jews or Israeli expats or all of the above make up a tiny percentage of our population
in the United States, but they have an outsized influence in things like Hollywood, banking,
government. I mean, I remember on the Supreme Court many years ago, I don't know what the
makeup is now, but it was like six Catholics and three Jews or something, you know, on the Supreme
Court. Like, how does that represent America when the vast majority of Americans are Protestants or
evangelical Christians? But it's just so many Catholics and Jews on the Supreme Court.
And even just if you just watch a Hollywood movie, they're constantly having these Jewish weddings, even though, you know, most Americans are not Jewish.
It's just such a tiny percentage of the population.
And yeah, if other countries were having that kind of an influence on our politicians, we'd be worried about that too.
I mean, weren't, wasn't everybody malfunctioning about the Russians influencing our election?
Just what a few years ago?
Yeah, and then and then now all of a sudden it's like how dare you because the Holocaust they brought up fang fang with Eric
Swalwell and
These potential Chinese spies and different things obviously we would we would focus on any country whether it be Australia
India Pakistan
Uganda I mean if we had all of our politicians are Uganda and we'd be asking questions like what's going on here
But it's like we're not allowed to ask when it's like this
obvious, super obvious, major, heavy-handed influence of Israelis in our government and
all the major institutions. I think that's why a lot of people are starting to talk about
it. Even...
But we are allowed to ask because we have the First Amendment and we can say whatever
we want. And Tucker Carlson can say whatever he wants. I can say whatever I want. You can
say whatever we need to just start using our free speech. It's not that we're not allowed.
we just need people to start using their first amendment and actually speaking up.
When you say we're not allowed, what you mean is basically like we're not,
we can't do it without getting persecuted. Well, you can't do it without being called
anti-Semitic basically, because that's what happens. He just says, let's talk about it.
And he says, you're anti-Semitic now all of a sudden. And of course, Tucker's been persecuted.
I think Tucker lost his job.
Yeah, you don't just get called anti-Semitic. You get persecuted. You get your bank accounts canceled
I mean we've had like at least eight financial platforms
Cancel us over the years. We've had all kinds. We I mean we had our account canceled on Airbnb
And it's just like so many things. We're just getting everything canceled and just constantly being persecuted
But you know what? We've not yet resisted unto bloodstriving against sin because it's not like we're getting beaten or thrown in prison
You know, there's no chapter in the book of fox's book of martyrs or like, you know losing financial accounts
And you know not being able to use Airbnb or PayPal or whatever, but
I mean, it is it is like a brief minor statement, but it's like sandwiched with like actual bloody massacre
There's like one paragraph. Yeah, it's like they also couldn't buy stuff or something and this is like and then they were slaughtered
You know fed the lions or something
But but it's like yeah, I I got shut down from bank of america
You would think that bank of america would be like
for Americans, but no, it's it's really Bank of Israel, because that's basically what every one
of our major institutions is, and so you just get shut down. Obviously, I'm no stranger to
some of the same things that you're bringing up as well. Let's play this one of the clip,
because it's a little bit funnier. I'm banned from Airbnb too. Yeah, I've been banned like six times
I just gave up this thing that I said a minute ago that when I came into the Senate
I resolved that I was going to be the leading defender of Israel and what you didn't ask is why so let me tell you why
No, you said I was obsessed with Israel and you had just told me that like you're driving
Motive to get to the Senate was to defend Israel. I don't think I'm gonna
Tucker words matter, uh-huh and you know that
I said I resolved to be the leading defender of Israel and you said you're driving motive the reason you're in the Senate
You want to be the leading defender of Israel?
I would think if I ran for Senate I'd be like, so people dying of drug odys on the street
My driving motive is to fight for Texas and America and to fight for jobs and to fight for the Constitution
And and you played a very very careful word game of a lie to the one who said it
Okay, not me. So you still haven't asked why but I'm gonna tell you why
And the reason is twofold, number one, as a Christian, growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible.
Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.
And from my perspective, I want to be on the blessing side of things.
Those who bless the government of Israel?
Those who bless Israel is what it says.
It doesn't say the government of, it says the nation of Israel.
So that's in the Bible as a Christian. I believe that where is that I can find it to you
I don't have the the scripture off the tip of my you pull out the phone and use it's in jayson. Genesis
use the Google
Bible phrase you don't have context for it. You don't know where the Bible it is, but that's like your theology. I'm confused
What does that even mean?
Tucker, I'm a Christian. I want to know what you're talking about
Where does where does my support for Israel come from number one?
Because biblically, we're commanded to support Israel, but number two
Hold on you're a senator and now you're throwing a theology and I am a Christian
I am allowed to weigh in on this
We are commanded as Christians support the government of Israel. We are commanded to support Israel and we're what does that mean?
Is we're told those who bless Israel will be blessed, but what hold on define Israel. This is important
Are you kidding? I this this majority Christian country define Israel could do do you not know what Israel is?
Hey, that would be the country you've asked like 49 questions about so that's what
Genesis, that's what God is talking about.
The nation of Israel, yes.
And so does that the current borders, the current leadership?
He's talking with the political entity called Israel?
He's talking about the nation of Israel.
Yet nations exist and he's discussing a nation.
A nation was the people of Israel.
Is the nation God's referring to in Genesis
is that the same as the country run by Benjamin Netanyahu right now?
Yes, yes.
It is.
And by the way, it's not run by Benjamin Netanyahu as a dictator.
This is where they get an argument on the dictator.
He's the prime minister, right?
You know, America is the country run by Donald Trump, not actually the American people elected Donald Trump.
The same principle is there.
This is silly. I'm talking about the political entity of modern Israel.
Yes, and that is Israel.
You believe that's what God was talking about in Genesis.
Yes, I do.
But that country's existed since when?
For thousands of years.
Now, there was a time when it didn't exist and then it was recreated just over 70 years ago.
That line in Genesis to refer to the Jewish people God's chosen people. That's not what it says
Okay, it is real, but you don't even know where in the Bible it is. So I don't know we can I don't remember the scriptural citation
But okay, I keep it's like Genesis 16 or something like that. But yes, it's in the earlier part of the book
But the point is
We can pause it. I just wanted to give plenty of context here. It's kind of funny
listening to these two guys
Debate this and I don't think either of them really know what
to say on this particular issue.
But at least Tucker's just asking logical questions.
Like, hey, even if it did say, quote, bless Israel,
what does quote Israel mean?
But the problem is it doesn't even say Israel
and the part that he's bringing up.
I wanna go to, it's Genesis 12 is typically
what people are referring to when they try
to make this Zionist argument.
See if you can go to my screen here and I don't know.
Yeah, maybe I can move this,
make this a little bit bigger or something.
There we go.
Thanks for watching!
So the Bible says in Genesis 12 1 now the Lord had said unto Abraham get thee out of thy country and from my
Kindred and from my father's house and the land that I'll show thee and I'll make of thee a great nation
And I'll bless thee and make thy name great and thou shalt be a blessing and I'll bless them that bless thee and curse him
That cursed thee and in these shall all families of the earth be blessed now this what's funny because
essentially verse 3 is what
Ted Cruz is kind of quoting more or less yet. He then inserts Israel which
Isn't in verse 3 whatsoever. It used the word the which is singular and then in this actual verse
It says all families of the earth shall be blessed
So in no way is this isolated to Israel or the modern state of Israel or the nation of Israel or
Anything like that. The Bible does talk about blessing him and his seed and it's singular
Galatians chapter number 3 brings this up. I'll try to bring up
Galatians chapter number three here too, but at the end of the day like he keeps
saying Israel, Israel's not a word found in that particular section of scripture.
Now Galatians three when it talks about the blessing that came unto Abraham says,
that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles
through Jesus Christ.
I want Ted Cruz to explain to me
how Genesis 12 applies to Gentiles
because in Genesis chapter number three,
it said all families which would be Gentiles
and that blessing did come to us through Jesus Christ
which he doesn't mention.
And then specifically it says in verse 16,
now that Abraham in his seed where the promise is made,
he say it's not and his seeds as of many
but as of, notice this one,
And to thy seed which is Christ. So the Bible is real clear that the blessing was to Abraham and to his seed
which is Jesus Christ and that that blessing came to Gentiles through
Jesus Christ. This does not mention Israel. It doesn't mention Jews. It doesn't mention
this modern state of the synagogue of Satan or their star of rim fan. It mentions none of that stuff.
not in the Bible, it's total trash, and it's just crazy how many Christians that they just
ignore Galatians chapter number three, when we're supposed to be New Testament Christians,
and they try to cling to some Genesis passage that does not say what they wanted to say.
Now, albeit, I'll admit this, that some of the modern versions do change some of the language,
and they'll say, quote, descendants, or they'll say some variation there, and they don't use
what the Bible actually says in Galatians 3 verse 16, because it mentions I believe in Genesis 12,
15, 16, maybe a couple of different passages, similar proclamations, and occasionally in the
modern versions it'll actually say descendants, and it's changing the text from seed to descendants,
plural, which then totally bastardizes Galatians 3 and creates a contradiction. I have that on our
If you go to the KJV section and you scroll down,
there's a comparison that I made a long time ago.
And you can see like modern versions being compared.
And I apologize, let me see if I can size this differently.
So maybe you can see it, yeah.
So here, in a lot of the modern versions,
instead of it saying thy seed in Genesis 12.7,
Here it says you're offspring in the NIV says your descendants there also in Genesis 13
The King James says thy seed thy seed thy seed and it says your descendants your descendants your
descendants your offspring your descendants. I believe it has it again here in Genesis chapter
22 verse 17 and 18. The King James says thy seed thy seed thy seed multiple times and then here in
the new King James even your descendants the NIV your descendants and so it just kind of bastardizes
then sometimes they'll just put it as a footnote but you'll notice that the modern versions are
and I don't think, I don't know if a lot of people realize that, I mean you need to get a
King James Bible and the King James Bible is really clear, it's Thy seed and the seed is singular
and it's mentioned in Galatians chapter number three and then a lot of these modern versions
will twist that and change that to descendants plural. So I want to get your thoughts on this
pastor and so you preached about this, you've made some clips about this, this is kind of crazy
what's being said.
Yeah, so in Genesis chapter number 12, you know
I'm gonna kind of maybe explain the argument that could be made kind of play the devil's advocate a little bit the argument
That could be made to try to say that this is about Israel
Okay, and then I'm gonna explain why it's not valid
Because in this passage he says, you know, go to a land that I will show the verse to he says I will make of the
a great nation
Okay, so that's where at least the word nation is mentioned in this passage. He says,
I will make of thee a great nation and I will bless thee and make thy name great and thou
shall be a blessing. But after he brings up the nation, he does go back to that singular pronoun
and say, I'm going to bless thee. He doesn't say, I'm going to bless the nation. I'm going to make
the nation great. You know, it's consistently attached to Abraham.
And here's why that's important, because in the Old Testament...
Israel were God's chosen people in the Old Testament, okay?
When they're serving God, when they're worshiping the Lord God Almighty,
they are the seed of Abraham.
They are the children of Abraham.
They do inherit those promises at that time, okay?
And so what will happen is whenever Zionists argue this,
what they'll do is they'll take Old Testament scriptures
and anachronistically apply them to today.
We're living in the New Testament.
And a lot of these things have changed in the New Testament
because Jesus said,
the kingdom of God shall be taken from you
and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Okay.
And because God made these unconditional promises to Abraham,
those promises can still stand
because they're made to Abraham in a seed.
Galatians tells us that the seed is Jesus.
And so if you're in Christ,
then are you Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.
Other promises are made to Israel in the Old Testament about being God's chosen people, about being a peculiar people,
nation of priests, holy nation, but those are conditional.
Okay, and so we have to understand is that the covenant made with Abraham is unconditional.
It's a one-sided unconditional covenant, which is why in Genesis 15, when it is reiterated,
if you remember, you know, God passes through those split animal pieces.
And I don't want to get too complicated on this,
but if you study that and understand that, you understand that it's a one-sided agreement.
that it's not conditional. It's an unconditional promise made to Abraham.
Whereas the old covenant made at Mount Sinai
is not unconditional at all. It is packed with conditions.
The Mosaic Covenant has filled with conditions
and so this is why Zionists
really want to hitch their wagon onto this Abrahamic Covenant
because of the unconditional nature thereof.
Because here's the thing, as soon as you have conditions on it, anybody with eyes can see
that Israel is not living up to the conditions because they're not worshiping God, they don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
They're wicked, they're filled with sodomites, they're the most faggoty country in the whole Middle East, and on and on and on.
So whatever the condition is, they're not meeting it.
This is why it's so important for them to fixate on this particular passage in Genesis 12 because
it's the unconditional promise. Genesis 15, Genesis 22, but here's the thing about that is that Galatians
3 just sinks their battleship and I love how it's Galatians 316 because it's so easy to remember
like John 316. Galatians 316 just completely defeats their view.
Now, one thing that was brought up, somebody else brought up and said, well, what about
in the book of Numbers, chapter 24, when the false prophet Balaam says, you know, oh, blessed
is he that blesses you and cursed is he that curses you, and he's talking about the Israelites.
But again, he is just harkening back to the promise made to Abraham in Genesis chapter
12.
And here's the thing.
At that time, Israel is doing right by God, they are worshiping the Lord, they are blessed,
they are the chosen people of God. No one's disputing that, okay? But again, they want to
move the goalpost and take Old Testament scriptures that are spoken at a certain point in time
and try to apply those to today, and that doesn't work. When it comes to the eternal covenant that
which is Christ, these other promises or blessings or positive statements about Israel,
you know, they're tied to that moment in time. It's very easy to see that from the context,
because as soon as Israel gets off track, all of a sudden, God takes the land away from them.
All of a sudden, God's not blessing them, okay, because those things were not unconditional. That's
will hit you with a barrage of Old Testament scriptures that they're taking out of context
and using it anachronistically. They only have one scripture in the New Testament,
which is Romans 11. And again, you can debunk them from that very chapter, like the chapter itself.
defeats their argument, but they just grab these tiny little snippets of the chapter.
But it's just, you know, whenever you have a doctrine that's based on one verse or one passage,
that's a huge red flag, and the fact that they have to rely so heavily on Romans 11,
which they're so wrong about. I love to turn to Romans 11 to show how wrong they are, but...
Where's all the other evidence? Because we can show you from Matthew. We can show you from Luke. We can show you from John.
We've got stuff in Acts that we can show you. We've got Romans 2. We've got Romans 9. We've got Romans 11.
We've got Philippians chapter 3, 1 Thessalonians chapter 2.
I mean, we're just absolutely all over the Bible, all over the New Testament.
and then you got the Zionists pulling out Romans 11.
It's like people who believe in work salvation,
pulling out James two or something
and just ignoring hundreds of verses
that tell us that salvation is by faith alone
and they just wanna absolutely live in James chapter two.
I don't know how the Zionists cannot see
that that's what they're doing with Romans 11
and their interpretation of Romans 11
is stupid and laughable anyway.
Well, one thing that I like to try and articulate this as is it's kind of like a modern example of like a property
You you have somebody that is going to inherit the property
And then you have someone that's leasing the property and it's like the children of Israel were given a lease agreement
but the problem is they broke the terms of the lease and so they were evicted from the property.
But it was never theirs. It's always been Jesus Christ. He's the one who inherits the property.
He's the rightful owner and possessor of the property. He was just allowing the children of
Israel to, quote, lease the land as long as they met the terms of the lease agreement.
and Deuteronomy, I believe it's in 28 as well, it talks a lot about the curses, but I know in
several sections of the Bible, it talks about how he's going to remove them from the land or
cause people to come and drag them out of the land, maybe you can find what, oh yeah, that is,
it's Deuteronomy 28 verse 63 is the one that I wanted to, I'm going to pull this off.
Yeah, and while you're getting that one, just to back up what you just said,
Leviticus 25 23 says, the land shall not be sold forever, or the land is mine, and ye are strangers and sojourners with me.
So the Lord tells the children of Israel in Leviticus 25 23, you guys are strangers and sojourners on my property, the land is mine, and I am letting you be here.
Okay, is that what Zionists believe?
about that promise made to Israel? No. They think that God just unconditionally promised
that land to Israel. He literally says, Leviticus 25-23, the land should not be sold forever,
for the land is mine, for ye are strangers, meaning foreigners, and sojourners with me.
You are my tenants on this land. You are my guests. And so it's exactly like what you said about
material and immaterial breach of contract. So, if the tenant violates something small,
that could be an immaterial breach of contract, and the lease still stands. But, if they do
something severe enough,
Like say they just don't pay the rent at all or you know
Let's say they just do some insane amount of damage to the property or something
You know at some point you cross a line where it becomes material breach of contract and the contract is null and void
And that's why God says in the New Testament
He says they continued not in my covenant and I regarded them not say at the Lord
Yeah, and I think Jesus gives a lot of examples of how God was giving them multiple chances bringing lots of servants under them
And they rejected them and then he said I'll give them my son and then they said see this is the air
Let us kill him and seize on his inheritance
And so they were trying to steal the land from the Lord Jesus Christ
But they didn't realize they're actually fulfilling scripture and they were still never going to get it
The verse you quoted here Leviticus 25 verse 23
the land is mine. Also in Deuteronomy 28, I know it says 27 above, but that's just for the searching.
It says in Deuteronomy 28 verse 63, and it shall come to pass that as the Lord rejoiced over you to
do good and to multiply you, so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you.
and to bring you to naught, and you should be plucked from off the land, whether thou goest
to possess it, and the Lord shall scatter thee among all people. From the one end of the earth,
even unto the other, and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou, nor thy fathers
even wood and stone, and among these nascent so they'll find no ease, neither shall the soul
of thy foot have rest, but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart and failing of eyes
and sorrow of mind, and thy life shall hang in doubt before thee, and thou shalt fear day and
night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life." It goes on and on. I mean, this almost sounds like
the modern state of Israel. How can they not see that's their history?
It's their history. It's the history of the Jews for the last 2,000 years.
You'd have to be blind not to see that's the history of the Jews for the last 2,000 years.
Yeah. And again, you know, I believe this is a filled with Babylon.
And then I believe, you know, it also can extend to what we see happening post-Babylon.
The second destruction, 70 AD, they were, of course, the diaspora happened again.
They were spread into all nations. They had to worship.
other gods, other religions, and then they even kind of create their own little antichrist religion
hundreds of years later, culminated in the Babylonian Talmud and that type of quote Judaism
that is not a Old Testament worship of the Jews but is rather a bastardization of the New Testament
and really just an antichrist doctrine and system which I would call Judaism and that is a synagogue
Ben, this argument about Israel having the land, you know, what would you say on this?
Is there another verse that you really like or is there something that was like meaningful to you about this particular argument?
Yeah, I mean, I think that the verse that Pastor Anderson, I believe it was Pastor Anderson quoted earlier where it talks about
how
It's in Matthew chapter 21 the kingdom of God should be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof
We see clear replacement there first Peter chapter 2 has a very powerful scripture
Uh, that discusses this what it says, but ye talking to a Gentile audience, but ye are a
chosen generation of royal priesthood and holy nation, a peculiar people. You brought up Galatians
chapter three, which I believe provides commentary on the Abrahamic coveted and who it ultimately
applied to in a spiritual sense. So those passages really helped me understand this.
But to throw a question back at you guys,
and from a devil's advocate perspective, I think what you see often in scripture is that there's
an appeal made to the Abrahamic covenant when it comes to that physical nation of Israel and that
land. For example, you know, when Moses makes intercession for them, he kind of brings up,
hey, you know, remember the promise you made to Abraham? Deuteronomy chapter one talks about
how the Israelites are told to go possess the land that was promised to Abraham.
So why do you think that is the case where that land back in the Old Testament is often related
to that promise that was made to Abraham? Is it a shadow fulfillment, the fact that they
possessed it in the Old Testament? What's that relationship there? Hopefully that made sense,
the question I'm trying to ask. Pastor Anderson, if you want to take it first.
Yeah, I think that that's going to have its ultimate fulfillment in the second coming
of Jesus Christ because in the regeneration, the twelve apostles will sit on twelve thrones
judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
And so remember, as the verse on the screen says, the land is God's, He allowed the Old
Testament nation of Israel to be there when they believed in Him, when they followed Him,
and that's what happened to the Babylonian captivity.
Then he brought him back.
Then they rejected Jesus, he kicked him out again.
And so they don't just have a right to be on that land no matter what.
Ultimately, the thing that's special about that land
is just that it was promised to Abraham
and it's the place where God chose to put his name there in Jerusalem.
And when he comes back the second time, he's going to set up his kingdom there and so forth.
But let's not forget what Jesus told the woman at the well.
He said, you know, the time cometh, and now is when the true worshipers of God.
He said, you're not going to worship God in Jerusalem or in this mountain.
You know, because remember, there was that argument that the woman at the well brought up
where the Samaritans believed that you were supposed to be worshiping God in Mount Garizim.
And then you have the Jews saying that Jerusalem is the place we're meant not to worship because the Samaritans only accepted the first five books of the Bible, okay?
Whereas the Jews accepted the entire Old Testament, what's called the Tanakh or the 39 books that we have in our Old Testament.
the Hebrew Bible, and there's a lot of talk about how Jerusalem is the place.
Now, in Deuteronomy, though, it doesn't spell out Jerusalem.
Deuteronomy just says, the place that the Lord will choose.
And then later, with David, we realize, okay, this is Jerusalem.
But since the Samaritans rejected that,
They think, well, no, it's Mount Garizim.
That's where we're going to worship God.
And so she brings this debate up to Jesus,
because this is something that is important to her.
And Jesus basically tells her,
well, you're wrong and the Jews are right.
But it doesn't really matter because it says, you know,
and yeah, let's just read it.
It's on the screen. It says,
Ye worship.
Or verse 21 it says Jesus. Sorry. I'm like a second beyond. There's like a lag of two seconds. Sorry about that
Jesus saith unto her woman. Believe me the hour cometh when ye shall neither in this mountain
Nor yet at Jerusalem worship the father. Okay, so in verse 22. Yeah, he's acknowledging that the Jews are right
Hey, you you worship, you know, not what we know what we worship for salvation's of the Jews
But at the end of the day, he says there's a time coming very soon
when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem
are you gonna worship the Father.
And of course, he's referring to the New Testament.
And so, no, we don't need to go to Jerusalem to worship.
There's absolutely no point.
I've never been there and I never planned to go there.
And I-
Wait a minute, you've never seen Temple Zero?
I've never been to Temple Zero, but the thing is if I went there, I certainly wouldn't go
put on a stupid hat and go start stimming at that wall and do that little photo op.
I'm not going to get baptized again in the Jordan River or something, because here's
the thing, I can worship God anywhere.
I can worship God in Arizona.
I can worship God in Texas.
What about on the geography does not matter what's that can you worship him on the moon?
Absolutely. Yeah, hopefully in our lifetime, we will be traveling to the moon on vacations.
I mean, isn't Elon working on that or something? Yeah, Springcrest Baptist Church said in the
chat, maybe Ted Cruz thinks that the children of Israel or the Jews, they could have left
and came back in 1948. So that was... Oh, okay. That was an inside joke.
We could have left.
We have a caller.
They could have left, folks.
And then they came back,
because I like how Tucker's kind of asking this question,
like, how long has that nation existed?
He's like, thousands of years.
And they were just on a, they were on vacation for, you know.
They could have left.
1,948 years.
They were just, you know, just partying somewhere else,
minus 70.
Let's go to our caller real quick because I think their question kind of pertains to
some of the things that we've been talking about.
We have a caller from Tampa, Florida, Chris.
Hey, Chris, how's it going?
Going pretty good.
How's it going over there?
Doing great.
Hey, you got a question for us.
What did you want to ask?
I just wanted to hear from your guys as well, but I'm not really familiar with the modern
day Jews, and I just wanted to hear from your guys what's their basis and what they believe
So you just want to know like what a modern person in Israel that's into the religion of Judaism kind of what their
Viewpoint is is that what you're asking?
Yeah
Yeah, I think Pastor Anderson does a really good job of this and marching to Zion
He he actually has different Jews talk about what they believe. Yeah, I can answer this right now
So the basis of Judaism is supposedly the Torah
Which is the first five books of the Old Testament and the way that they have their Bible arranged is that they have their
Bible arranged into three sections and the way they look at it is that the first section is the most authoritative
the second section is less authoritative, and the third section is even less authoritative.
So we would say all Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine.
We don't think there's a hierarchy in Scripture. Like we believe that all Scripture is equally
inspired, authoritative, etc. Obviously there are different genres and different contexts,
but we believe it's all God-breathed literature. So it's the Word of God. So with Jews,
it's mainly the Torah that they would claim as their final authority the first five books.
However, Orthodox Judaism, which by the way, even though it's what we always think about and talk
about and everybody focuses on, is a small minority of Judaism. Small minority of Judaism is
base their beliefs more on the Talmud than even on the Torah.
The Talmud is explaining the Torah,
but it has tons of stuff in it that is not in the Torah.
It's like an encyclopedia.
books literally like 30 some volumes and so that is all of these extra biblical
Talmudic teachings and that's what the Orthodox Jews actually believe in now
the thing about that is that in Israel even though Orthodox Jews are not even
close to being the majority the Orthodox Jews run the government in Israel
that's where it's so significant okay so in Israel even though the population
predominantly not Orthodox Jewish, the Orthodox Jews run the government and
they actually make it hard sometimes for the rest of the Jews to practice
their like watered-down forms of Judaism or even you know make it hard for
them to do religious things like weddings and things because you can
really only have like an Orthodox wedding and you know they have all these
rules and stuff that they really enforce but
The bottom line is most religious Jews are not Orthodox, okay? Most religious Jews are
reformed, okay? And if we're in the United States, and there's a synagogue in Tempe or something,
and you see these big synagogues everywhere you go, and you see Jews and everything,
the vast majority of them are not Orthodox, they are reformed, which is like a super liberal form
And they're super liberal like they'll have a lot of times, even, you know...
Homoes and lesbians and you know as rabbis and they're just super progressive
Super liberal and you know the bottom line is none of them believe the bible. So we don't really care orthodox reformed
There's another group called conservative, which is like maybe somewhere between
orthodox and
Reformed and then one of the guys we interviewed in march and design called himself a humanist
Rabbi where he said he's not even sure if there's even a god
You know, so that was like, I was kind of like going to this guy, see this guy right here rabbi wiener that's on the screen right now that guy is a reformed rabbi and that's the most common he said that homos are fine.
He believes in the Big Bang, evolution.
This guy on the screen right here, Rabbi Rubin Mann,
he's an Orthodox Rabbi, okay?
And then just so that people have seen the movie,
kind of understand the characters a little bit.
And then this guy is the humanist Rabbi
who's not even sure God is real.
And in their services, instead of singing praises to God,
he said, we actually sing praises to ourselves.
And he literally said that.
He said,
that we replace God in the songs with ourselves and we just kind of like praise ourselves and so
we're humanist and then the old man that that was the really militant old man he's what's called
a conservative rabbi which is again you know something between you could say just to simplify
Well, we don't have the audio. Can you do the audio for us?
I've been in hell.
This is what you tell children. This is what you tell the children
Daddy went to heaven
So so yeah, I mean again
What's the basis of Judaism for orthodox Jews de facto? It's the Talmud for reform Jews. It's supposedly the Torah
But give me a break. They're there. They're so super ridiculously liberal
It's not even recognizable.
I mean, and here's the thing.
I asked that reformed rabbi.
If, you know, he believed in the story of like Noah's Ark, he didn't believe in anything.
Like he doesn't believe in Adam and Eve, he doesn't believe in Noah's Ark, and then he
didn't even believe in the Ten Commandments, the Reform guy.
Wow.
Because I even said, is there an absolute, like thou shalt not steal, and he's like,
nope, I don't think so.
He said that society determines that stealing is wrong.
You're bad and if you do steal you're one of us. He said that could be legitimate in a society that believed that way
Jews
Basically, that's what he literally you have to steal to be a Jew basically. He literally said if you don't feel bad
If you do steal you're part of us and then I said isn't there just an absolute like that should not still know
I don't believe there is it's in the movie
Marching design you can see it for yourself
Oh man. So when did Orthodox Judaism start?
I want to wait. Chris, are you still on the line?
Yeah, I'm still here.
So I want to see if that kind of satisfied your curiosity here, if you kind of a follow-up.
Oh, no, I definitely did. I'm very taken aback and kind of lost your words. I really said that.
Honestly, it is surprising. I think that's why the movie was so successful. I think I think most people think
Well, Jews believe the Old Testament and they're just kind of hung up on Jesus is kind of like a common myth
But they don't even believe the first five books
They don't even believe the beginning of Genesis in most cases a lot of them just kind of ignore the Bible and have an
Antichrist type of agenda. I mean the Bible says explicitly who was a liar
But he that denied that Jesus is the Christ, he is the Antichrist that denied the Father and the Son.
And so, you know, even in Jesus' time, if you look at the Sadducees, they were really goofed up,
had all kinds of strange views and strange doctrines, and they seem even more like they believe the Bible than modern-day Jews.
But just to show you an example, I mean, the Sadducees are screwed up and have all kinds of goofy doctrine.
even at Jesus' time, so why would I then think that today's Jews are going to magically be
better than the Sadducees or something? So to answer the question though about when
Orthodox Judaism started, it's like about 200 years ago, you know, would probably be when
you start seeing it like delineated that way, you know, because obviously in modern times
you have this reform, Judaism, these liberal sects. So then the reaction to that is Orthodox.
Thanks for calling in Chris. Do you have another follow-up or do you have anything else?
No, well good. Thank you. Thanks so much for calling in Chris. Have a great day.
Now I didn't I didn't want to interrupt. What were you trying to say been he ain't no pastor Anderson got it as a follow-up to that
Appreciate the answer there pastor Anderson on orthodox Judaism as a follow-up to that
Judaism as a whole as a false religion. Is this a
Invention that came from the Babylonian captivity. When did that get its start?
No, I think that the best way to look at it is that Judaism starts at the destruction
of the temple in 70 AD.
And so it's interesting, there was a professor that I was listening to that was obviously
not a Christian, a Jew unsaved, but just an expert in the Hebrew language, expert in Judaism
and things like that, you know, PhD at Harvard or whatever.
And she was lecturing on this and talking about the fact that Christianity and Judaism
Okay. Because a lot of people have this wrong idea that somehow Christianity descends from Judaism,
like that Judaism is the parent of Christianity. And a lot of people will wrongfully say,
oh, well, you know, Christianity springs out of Judaism as a spin-off of Judaism.
And she was correctly explaining that, no, Christianity does not come from Judaism,
but that Christianity and Judaism are brothers, because they both descend from
Old Testament religion. So you have this Old Testament religion of the Hebrews. Okay. And then
in the first century AD, you have Christianity coming out of that Old Testament religion
with the Lord Jesus Christ and the apostles. And now you have Christianity, which springs from
the Old Testament. But then after the destruction of the temple, you have this new religion of Judaism
that springs from the Old Testament as well.
Obviously, it's a perversion, it's a corruption of the Old Testament,
but it still is the brother of Christianity in that sense.
And so they're brothers, and guess what?
We're Jacob and they're Esau.
We're Isaac and they're Ishmael.
And if you study those parallels, it's super interesting.
And in fact, the entire book of Genesis
has this older brother, younger brother motif,
and of course Judaism or the Jews kind of picture the elder brother Christianity the younger brother so
Jews or Esau
We're Jacob, but you could even go about you know Cain and Abel Jews or Cain Christians are Abel
You know you you can look at Ham and Shem. You can look at
You know Isaac versus Ishmael Ishmael is the elder brother
You know Esau is the elder brother
and then who's the elder brother with the patriarch's Reuben?
But the blessing goes to Joseph.
You know, then you get to the very end, you got Ephraim and Manasseh.
And then what does Jacob do?
He puts his right hand on the younger brother's head,
puts his left hand on the elder brother's head.
I mean, it's just, it's start to finish in Genesis every single time,
like the younger brother gets the blessing,
the younger brother takes over from the older brother.
And it's a beautiful picture.
Christianity versus the Jews, you know and and and and you know it's explicit
and what's funny is that this professor even though she's Jewish and doesn't
even believe the New Testament she literally was like reading from Romans
chapter 9 saying you know this is how the Apostle Paul looked at it you know and
like about Jacob and he's kind of mind-blowing yeah
I want to try and play another clip that you had shared on X and I feel like it really
kind of started the conversation for you.
You ended up getting a lot of attention for this one particular post and I'll bring up
the post here for just a second and then we're going to actually play the video.
So it's you titled it the Jews are contrary at all men. They're against everyone
They're enemies of everyone. I don't know if that's big enough on the screen. Let me see if I can yeah
Yeah, well, it's funny that people would
Probably right on the face of that be offended by that statement, even though those statements are
explicitly made in the Bible because you know one of them's from 1st Thessalonians 2 16
The other one is found in Romans chapter 11 their favorite passage
Yeah, saying that their enemies and so forth and so you know the boomers are already triggered and they haven't even seen the video yet
Let's watch the clip
Now we're going to see about the Jews see the colon after the word Jews
Who both killed the Lord Jesus and
their own prophets and
Have persecuted us and they please not God and are contrary to all men
Oh, why is everybody always so mad about the Jews? Oh because they're contrary to all men
You know, and then you have this Ted Cruz, Israel Stooge,
saying to Tucker Carlson, you know,
why are you just obsessed with Israel?
Why does everybody just keep bringing up Israel?
It's like, hey, idiot, there's a war going on right now
that was started by Israel.
Maybe that's why we're talking about Israel.
Why are you going to bring up Israel?
I don't know, because they're firing missiles every day.
Why are you bringing up Israel? Why are you obsessed with Israel?
You want to know why everybody's all talking about Israel is because Israel and the Jews are
Contrary to all men. You know what that means. They're against everybody. You said oh, it's not true
They love us. They're our greatest ally. Yeah, but secretly they're against us. They hate us because they're secretly
Contrary to us because the contrary to all men. They hate all nations
They are in love with themselves, they are obsessed with themselves, and they hate everybody
else and look down on everyone else, and the rest of us are all just their useful idiots
and cattle.
Okay?
That's why it says, and look, I didn't write the Bible, the apostle Paul said, they are
contrary to all men.
Contrary means against, right?
Contrary, they're against everybody, they're contrary to all men.
This is why they're kicked out of 47 different countries, this is why they've been persecuted
everywhere they've gone for the last 2000 years because they're contrary to all men.
They can't fit in, they can't assimilate, this is the curse of God on their lives.
Now I'll admit when you said contra, this is what I first thought of.
And I thought maybe you're gonna give us the cheat code or something, but
No, it's a great point first Thessalonians 2 15 you're you're pointing out in the text how it says Jews here has
Kind of like a hanging hanging verse here
Just kind of context and then it says who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets and persecuted us and they please not God and
as you really hammered
contrary to all
It's kind of crazy. You have to spell this out for people, but
And I'm sure your church for the most part kind of gets this
But I think they like hearing it because it's just so frustrating how many people just don't get this
Don't seem to want to
Acknowledge that this is even in the Bible
I just wonder sometimes if people maybe need to slow down a little bit when they read their Bible or something.
I don't know if people are just zoning out or just reading too fast or something,
but I feel like especially preachers need to slow down and really take in what the Bible is saying
because it seems like just so many phrases and things are just going over people's heads and it's frustrating.
And you know, this is one of the things that I like about Bible memory.
I've been on kind of a Bible memory kick lately and really going back and you know
relearning and refreshing chapters that I'd memorized and learning new chapters.
That's one thing I love about Bible memory is that when you memorize stuff
it really drills it in because it forces you to slow down and spend hours.
just a couple verses, you know, like because all like to learn five verses by
heart it'll usually take me like an hour to learn about five verses because I'm
stupid but anyway yeah so I you know I'll be learning it and just like
spending an hour on five verses you really get it you know and I remember
I memorized first Thessalonians chapter 2 back in 2005
and in 2006, right around that time.
And it's like, and so I had these verses
just drilled into my head.
And you know, even if you're not gonna do memorization,
I think that people just need to read carefully
and just read carefully.
So let's just be honest.
It's not like this verse being brought up
on Sunday morning.
And most churches, I mean, I don't think I'd ever heard a sermon on this verse been, you know, going to church before the new I have be, are they articulating first Thessalonians to are they bringing this first up, are they explaining what the real context means I mean, are you even hearing this been.
No, I mean, if they do read the verse, they'll just give you a rudimentary application or something like that, but they're not really going to dive in and actually apply it.
What even?
Well, you know, it's not even being read in most churches. It's not being read at all exact
I remember again when I first got into Bible memory back in 2005
And I was going through these chapters. I started with like all the chapters that are the most famous because when you're memorizing the Bible
Yeah, if you start with stuff that's famous you already kind of haven't memorized anyway
It's way easier to learn. Yeah, and so I was working my way through a bunch of stuff
Well, I got to first Thessalonians and when I started memorizing first Thessalonians chapter 3
I was like man the chapter so hard like
why is this chapter taking me just days to learn? Why is it so hard to learn? And then I realized,
I was like, you know what, I've never heard any preaching in my entire life from any verse in
verse Thessalonians chapter three. And obviously, I'd never heard any preaching from this. And let's
face it, the new excuse me, the old IFB, their preaching is often a broken record to the point
where if you're sitting in an old IFB church, if they say turn to Malachi,
You already know where they're going. It's like they're going to Malachi chapter 3 will a man rob God
You know what I mean? And if they say hey turn to 1st Thessalonians you pretty much know where they're headed
They're heading to the rapture passage passage in 1st Thessalonians 4
Maybe you're gonna get God. It's not a point as to wrath in chapter 5
But they're not going to chapter 1. They're not going to chapter 2
They're not going to chapter 3 because they are a broken record and they preach the same couple of verses
over and over again. Their sermons are way too shallow. They get up at the beginning of the
service. They only read a couple of verses, and then the sermons are not expository sermons of
the Word of God. They just unfortunately don't use a lot of Bible. And like I said, it's literally
a game for me when I'm sitting in an old IFB church, when they name the book to guess what
chapter and verse they're going to, because they have this very limited repertoire.
verses that they use. And so, how do they explain 1st Thessalonians 2.15? Here's
the fun part, they don't. Right. You just don't hear these verses typically. Yeah,
new IV says that he actually did hear this recently in church and they said
it's the Pharisees, not the Jews, which is kind of crazy. I mean, and Jesus gets
really mad at just Jews in the New Testament. He's not like, obviously he
Talk about the Pharisees a lot and rebuke them a lot, but it's not just limited to them. He also has the Sadducees and others
And I mean, let's be honest the hype was a Sadducee like it's not just limited to the Pharisees
It's total garbage because in the book of Acts he specifically says
That you did this as did also your rulers. Yeah, so to say it's just the rulers is a lie because he literally says
you did this, and the rules. And plus, if the Bible says Jews,
you can't just sub out Pharisees for that. And like you said,
the Pharisees and the Sadducees are like arch enemies,
and yet it was the Sadducees who represented the High Priest faction,
and so the Sadducees and the Pharisees, even though they're typically arguing with one another,
And, you know, freaking out at each other, like in the case where the Apostle Paul almost gets ripped in half between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, okay, when it came to Christ, they teamed up to be against Jesus, because it was the Jews in general who killed Jesus.
So, I mean, I guess I'm just, I guess I'm proud of the old IFB for even turning to a new verse, but...
Twisting it now I have to take away any points that were awarded
And now their score goes into the negative because they turn to a passage just to twist it and teach lies
You know why don't it's funny? Why didn't why didn't they just the Bible just say Pharisees?
If it you know why does that have to say Jews if it really just quote means Pharisees and if we can play that game
What else can we do when we just read a word and then just substitute it for something that's completely different?
Kay River also says Sunday service is so boring, mostly a long special and not even reading
the whole chapter.
Says their preaching is just so predictable.
Yeah, special music just dominates in these church services to the point where they'll
have an hour and a half sermon.
25 minute or excuse me. That's our church. Sorry
Yeah, that's it our church service out of a 90 minute service sometimes even a two-hour service they'll preach for 25 minutes
You know and obviously we were poking fun at that youth conference last week
You know one of the services of that youth conference and obviously they're doing all their skits and songs again
Just so much music so much flow
It was literally like 20 one of the nights was like a three-hour service and 26 minutes of preaching
Wow, but even on a Sunday morning even on a Sunday night, I don't know if I just understood that you said there was three hours and 26 minutes of preaching
No, no, no, I said a three-hour service with only 26 minutes of preaching
26 minutes of Bible preaching
in three hours.
In a three hour service.
Wow.
Yes, but what I'm saying is that even,
and you can say, oh, that was a special service.
Okay, on Sunday morning, Sunday night at these places,
you get a 25 minute sermon,
and it's still a 90 minute service.
And look, you said that we were allowed
to talk about any new IFB stuff,
so I'm gonna talk about this,
even though it has nothing to do with it.
You can say whatever you want, I don't care.
Okay.
Yeah, you you said you promised you said that we could talk about. So here's the thing special
music you're saying I'm not I'm not against special music per se like I'm not saying it's bad it's
wrong it's sinful or something like that okay I know some churches in our movement have special
music some don't and for those listening at home and don't know what this means we're talking about
as opposed to like the entire congregation singing collectively. I'm not going to get up here and
condemn anyone or attack anyone for having special music because you know what, it's just my preference
not to have special music. Our church has no special music. We're not going to have special music.
That is not a biblical, you know, command of God. I'm not saying that. It's just my preference. But
boring. Okay. And when I was growing up, that was always the most boring part of the church
service is just sitting there and listening to these musical performance. I find it boring.
Now look, again, I'm not mad. I'm not against it. Some people love it. Some people like it.
They enjoy it. Okay. Everybody's got their own opinion. You know, I find it boring. And, you
know, if you're going to sit there and have an hour of it,
And then you're gonna have a 25-minute sermon.
You know, I think your priorities are way out of whack.
And I think that what a lot of these churches
and a lot of these conferences are doing
is that they're trying to use emotion
more than actually preaching and the spirit of God
and the word of God and the power of God.
It's emotion and music is great at stirring up emotion.
And so, you just have just all this emotional music, all this emotional music, and then this tiny little sermenet.
And, you know, that is not the way that we do business at Faithful Word. I don't like it.
And again, I'm not mad at people who have special music. I'm not against special music per se,
but we choose not to do it because I just think it's a lot more fun to sing along.
And so, just, you know, just congregational singing.
is what I like just sing along and even the even the churches in our movement that do have special
music I think they'll they'll typically do like one song or something not just this endless parade
of special music and you've been in church for like over an hour and the sermon hasn't even started
yet and then it's like oh well we barely have time to give you 20 minutes or something
I just wanted to get that off my chest.
Well, you know, I want to throw out another theory about why special music exists and why it's so long.
It's because a lot of churches have youth programs, and they have kids programs, and the kids program is going to take a specific amount of time.
And so if they only preached their 26 minute service,
then they'd all be waiting for the kids to get out.
So they actually have to like put in all these buffers
so that everybody gets out around the same time.
And I only say that because it was like literally true.
There was a church that I went to where the sermons
were short on purpose because I guess preaching
was too difficult of a task at the time for the pastor.
I mean, that's what he said.
they literally had three announcement times and they did announcements like early then later
and then like at the end of the service and then they had all these special musics and
and like I even remember we ended our service and people are kind of like actually staying
in like talking for a while, which is not normal,
because usually it just clears out right away.
But it was because everybody was waiting
for their kids' programs to finish
so that their kids could come out
and then they could finally leave.
And so you kind of could tell like,
it was embarrassing to them that they had ended
before the kids' programs.
So then they just like added way more special music.
And it was like, now we're not gonna make that mistake again.
It wasn't like extend the preaching.
Now again, obviously there's some churches that they just want special music. The thing that's
kind of weird to me though, if it's quote special music, like to me then it would be like not all
the time or not like every single service or something. In order to be special. Yeah, like
it's Easter, it's Christmas or it's something you know like actually special. I think that,
I think this is my problem with special music. You're making way too much sense.
this is my problem with special music is that it's just not very good it like to me like if it
was actually really high quality and like the people were doing a really good job and they
like put a lot of effort energy into it I don't think that I would really personally like have
a huge issue obviously I don't want to get rid of the preaching time but I'm just saying like
most of that time it's to me it's like oh we have this special music but it's just kind of like hey
get through this song nobody knows and it's just well it's almost like a
participation trophy yeah like we hey want to make sure everybody gets to
participate so everybody who wants to it's it becomes a karaoke bar
basically yeah and i mean here's the thing about karaoke
you know i don't do karaoke i don't go to karaoke places but
i do go you know on this kind of stuff you know and and
and hopefully this will help me relate to the boomers at home
because you know the boomers are the ones who struggle with this Israel dog carnival glory
so so unto the unto the boomers i became as a boomer
that I might reach the boomers.
But here's the thing, when we're on the cruise ship,
the way the cruise ship is laid out,
you know, whenever we're going to dinner,
we always walk by the karaoke.
Yeah.
And every once in a while,
some guy is just absolutely just killing it.
And we're just like, wow, this guy's good or whatever.
But usually it just sounds like some kind of a cat
is being strangled or something.
It just sounds horrible.
Yeah.
And people get up and sing karaoke,
they think they sound awesome and they don't.
Okay. And so I think that in church, because you're going to be nice to everybody and kind
to everybody, it's kind of like everybody's got a song they want to sing and everybody gets a
chance. And so I think that the quality definitely varies. Sometimes you'll hear some really awesome
special music. Sometimes you're going to hear some special music that isn't that good.
Frankly, I just kind of find the whole thing boring.
And, you know, I don't really go to church to go to a concert, you know, I'd rather go to church
just to participate and sing praises to God. We all sing praises and enjoy that and we can all,
you know, focus on the word of God preaching. And you know why it's relevant to this discussion
is because the shallowness of churches and the fact that they're 80% music, 20% preaching,
is why people don't know these doctrines.
It's why Ted Cruz doesn't know where that passage is found
because, you know, if he goes to church at all,
he probably goes to some shallow church
with short sermons, long on music, short on preaching,
and the sermons are short on Bible.
It's not expository, you know,
let alone reading the Bible himself.
I mean, bro.
It's like you don't even read Genesis in your personal life like he's this big Christian, you know, and he's so into praying and and being a Christian and everything.
It's like, well, don't you read your Bible once a year because even if you just read the Bible cover to cover once a year, you're reading Genesis 12 like like every year.
And you'd be, you'd think it'd be like underlining it and highlighting it.
Oh, it's my, this is that verse that I based my entire foreign policy on and, and like
every January, like you'd just be stoked every like January 4th or whatever when you get to Genesis 12
again. And you'd be like, you know, wearing a hole in the page with all the underlines and
highlights and stars and asterisks that you're putting next to it, right? Because Bro doesn't
Grace Jenney probably goes to some church that's filled with a bunch of fluff.
They said Houston's first Baptist church is what someone put in the comments, which seems likely.
I do have to say this, I think that you actually do have special music though in your church
because I've heard you bust some Kanye Rhymes a couple of times in your sermon and every
once in a while you bust out something and just kind of sing it for us, so that's pretty
special.
What did your dad tell you?
Oh, my dad just told me never go to the first Baptist church because it's had time to become liberal
So that was just kind of a rule that he had just you know stay away from the first Baptist to it's too old
They're pretty much all southern Baptist honestly
Yeah, isn't there also and you guys would know better than yeah, I think you both have spent more time in the old
I have been I have to be honest. So isn't there this attitude that?
If you really want the meat of the word, if you really want the deep doctrines of the Bible,
that that's not for church, but rather we are going to give that to you at the Bible college.
That's for the Bible college.
If you want that, sign up for the college.
Absolutely. And that's one of the problems with Bible college is that it kind of gets them off the hook from teaching doctrine because then they just give all this shallow stuff in the sermons and it's like, oh, you want to learn the Bible?
Well, you got to go to Bible college and then they'll even tell the students they'll tell them, look, even if you're not going to go into the ministry, even if you're not going to do four years, at least do one year of Bible college just so that you can get like a foundation of Bible doctrine.
Give us a foundation of Bible doctrine on Sunday night.
Give us a foundation of doctrine on Wednesday night.
Give us on Sunday morning a foundation of biblical doctrine.
And so that is a huge part of it,
is the Bible college replacing the church
as the teacher of doctrine.
Yeah, I mean sometimes they have like
Study books self study books. I remember a pastor gave me Paul chapels like
Discipleship book or something like that and you could read through it
But honestly that book was about as as basic as anybody could ever write a book
I mean, it was really really
Simple, you know salvation's by faith
baptisms by immersion, Jesus is the Son of God, like I mean it was just like it
wasn't gonna go into these topics let's just let's just say that. So it's kind
of a shame how people are going to church and they don't really hear like
90% of the Bible or something. I mean it's some some like high percentage that
I would say is never being read, never being discussed, and another theory I
90 some percent of the Bible is kind of negative like there's just like a lot of negative a lot of judgment a lot of condemnation a
Lot of sin and so they they don't want that they want a positive message
So the reason why they're only using like 10 some percent of the Bible and the familiar parts is because they're kind of cherry picking all the really popular
Fun nice kind things. I mean Psalm 23 is kind of like the really positive Psalm
But it's like what about Psalm 1 through 22
Like it's like why did they start in Psalm 23? And it's not just because it's short. I mean
some of the early Psalms are pretty short. I mean Psalm 1 is pretty short, but they're just not
using them because they contain a lot of negative messages, a lot of persecution, a lot of name
calling. I think a lot of it is just that these pastors are lazy and they don't study the Bible.
They don't read the Bible because this is what I believe. If you're constantly reading the Bible,
if you're constantly memorizing the Bible, if you're constantly studying the Bible,
Like the Bible is going to pour out of your mouth because you cannot help but speak the things you've seen and heard
out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
And so I think that these pastors are just, I don't know, spending their time on something else than the Word of God.
Maybe hanging out with Hindu Democrats or something like that, but let's uh, I want to explore a couple other passages
That maybe you know like the Romans 11
26 here a little bit on the show also somebody had put in the chat a question about a particular verse
I want to see if I can go back and find that
Somebody was hoping that we'd answer a specific question about
Something I'm trying to remember. Did you see that and here's the thing while you're figuring that out, you know
Cuz we're talking about special music and stuff like that, you know special music by nature is not typically the old hymns
because the old hymns are typically the congregational singing and so typically the special music is going to be new songs just by nature just by its very nature that maybe that's part of the special
component of it is that it's newer stuff and I just think it's super hypocritical for certain churches to have special music and sing new songs
And they're not contemporary or wild, then they'll criticize another church that has special music that's also using new songs and not traditional hymns.
It's like, bro, that's what special music is. Special music is new songs that nobody knows.
Because if people knew them, then we'd be singing them congregationally.
So they're typically songs that people don't know. They're like being introduced to you.
And so contemporary worship music, CCM, contemporary Christian music, that's typically like a rock band on stage or that stuff that's like Hillsong or whatever, and you've got like a much wilder thing.
You know, and then, you know, you have traditional special music where they're just kind of playing a piano or an organ or something and it's it's more chill or whatever.
But at the end of the day, though, you know, the biggest problem with a lot of the CCM is the garbage lyrics or just the super shallow lyrics.
Whereas like the old hymns are just packed with great doctrine and they're constantly quoting or paraphrasing scripture.
I love the old hymns.
I like the old hymns better than the songs that are being sung on special music, just
because I like them, you know, but again, for me, it's a preference, you know, I'm not
going to condemn another church, especially I'm not going to condemn a church whose music
is like 90% like ours, because it's just like a little different, you know, oh, you're
contemporary.
Yeah.
You guys are liberal or whatever
Well, you know, I want to make two comments on this
I know we're keep harping on special music, but you know, it's so long
It's so much of the service that we got to just make it so much of the broadcast
But exactly, you know when it comes to the Bible it says Psalms hymns and spiritual songs
Would you kind of categorize maybe some of the special music as like an interpretation or application of what a spiritual song
Could possibly be eluding to because it absolutely
Yeah, it's kind of giving a style almost because it's like a hymn and a song like those are a little bit different styles
Maybe my opinion that you know that probably the hymn is what's being sung toward God as far as the original intent of the author of
Colossians and Ephesians, you know
the apostle Paul. I think the hymn is probably sung to God, whereas, you know, the spiritual
song is about God. And then the Psalms is when you're putting scripture itself to music. You
know, that would be my thought. But I absolutely believe that what is classified as special music
in Baptists and evangelical churches could fall, it could fall under even hymns, or it could fall
under spiritual songs, you know, I'm not against new music.
I'm not against a song that was written yesterday if it's a good song, you know, I'm not against
any of it.
But what I don't like is it taking over the service and being, you know, 80% of the service
and I don't like, you know, replacing old hymns that are really deep and meaty with
somebody having special music in their church with new songs and then
criticizing another church down the street that also has special music with
new songs because they're just slightly a different style and lying and saying
that they have contemporary Christian music when it's like the most straight
laced traditional music.
virtually anyone would agree that this is super straight-laced in traditional music.
There's like a piano and a bunch of people, you know, dressed super modestly singing.
Well salvation through faith ask wait, what did special music have to do with Israel and Iran and
What it has to do with Israel and Iran is that these old?
I'd be churches instead of talking about Israel and Iran and what the Bible says in first lesson in chapter number two
They take this long break on special music. So we're just there. We're just we're just explaining
You know why we're in this situation. We're in because of all this special music
Yeah, we're explaining why nobody knows what the Bible says
because the church services are 80% music
in literally 90 some percent of the churches in America.
But then there's even a competition
between who's more special or who's more traditional
or who's more contemporary or whatever.
And I mean, like here's the thing,
you have told me that even at Hiles Anderson,
I think that, you know,
they had special music the whole time,
but I'm just saying like at some point,
at some point you kind of got offended
by some of the musical choices.
Can you elaborate on what that is?
Yeah, they're singing songs that were quoting wrong versions of the Bible directly.
So it's just words from the song are just straight out of the NIV, not the King James version.
And then the biggest thing of all that offended me was the sexual, sensual singing that they would do.
You know, and here's the thing, when a woman gets up and sings sexually, it's sleazy, right?
When a guy does it, it's faggoty.
And so either way, I don't like it, you know, that's what bothers me the most when it comes to contemporary music is that the sensual sexual type of singing Jesus is my boyfriend kind of stuff, but we should probably get back on topic, you know.
Just for the sake of all the the people these these people a lot of the listeners. I know they're obsessed with Israel sort of like
Ted Cruz was
accusing a
Tucker of doing well
We got to get even even we get sick of this topic. I think someone that got even more sick of it was Donald Trump
Do we have this clip of Donald Trump and kind of where he's at on this stinking issue?
We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they
don't know what the f*** they're doing.
Do you understand that?
He's totally just, what did he say in the beeped, you know, uh, brand, I actually liked
the, you know, the, the extended version of this even better because before this, he's
talking about how I'm very upset with Israel.
I'm frustrated that they broke the ceasefire.
Here's my take on this.
Cause a lot of people were acting like I was stupid because I, I basically posted on X
and said, Hey, it looks like Trump's getting Jew fatigue here.
Yeah.
And some people were acting like I was stupid for believing him.
It's all fake. It's all an act.
You know, here's the thing.
I don't think that dropping the F-bomb
is necessarily this planned thing that his hand was like,
Hey, say the F-word about how pissed you are.
I'm pretty sure that I'm pretty sure that the F-word came from the heart there.
You know what I mean?
And and and I do think
And, you know, if this makes me gullible and stupid, well, I'm sorry, folks.
But I do believe that Trump was pissed off, that Israel, you know, broke the ceasefire.
People that were there said that he called up Benjamin Netanyahu on the phone and was
like really aggressive and firm and angry with him over the phone.
It sounded like he called up Netanyahu and cussed him out and yelled at him.
And then now he's cussing out reporters.
Is this political theater?
It could be, in my opinion, though,
I think this is from the heart.
You know, when he's dropping the F word,
I think that that is spontaneous.
I think, I mean, you know,
you could probably answer this question better,
Pastor Shelley, about the spontaneous nature of F,
no, I'm just kidding, but you had the point.
It was definitely not planned.
So, you know, I can understand it.
And so I'm saying that I do think that Trump you know wants to be a peacemaker. I said this
You know several days ago, and then people were saying I was an idiot when he dropped bombs on them and stuff
You know here's saying obviously I can't read Trump's mind
You know but the way I see it is that I do think Trump loves to make deals
Trump wants to be a peace maker
And I think that the reason why he dropped those bombs on Iran is to please is
Evangelical Christian Zionist base to please all the boomers in the Republican Party
and everything. He's a politician and so he didn't do that because he necessarily wanted
to do it. I think he did it for political reasons to please.
is base in that sense because half the base be honest they're probably lying to him all the time
Israel's probably lying to him about what they're going to actually do and he kind of thinks they're
on some page and then they go back on their word and they're constantly manipulating him and not
doing what they said and he's like hey I'll be your buddy but I just don't want to go that too
that far and then they do this then he's just like what the you know and I mean I get it
So think about Martin Luther. I think Martin Luther is a good example. You know, Martin Luther started out hanging around with a bunch of Jews and he wanted to learn the Hebrew language so that he could translate the Old Testament into German.
And so he spent a ton of time with Jews and he thought, I'm going to evangelize these Jews, you know, I'm going to get these Jews converted to Christianity.
you know his last sermon he's just ripping on the Jews. The last book that he wrote is called
The Jews and Their Lies and I mean it is so hardcore. It makes any preaching we've done about
the Jews pale in comparison. I mean he's just so mad and maybe Trump's experiencing the same thing.
He's kind of like hey I want to work with everybody. Let's try to work with Israel,
advisors are telling me, Paula White's telling me, Mike Huckabee's telling me, Ted Cruz is telling
me, and then he's trying to work with them, but then he's kind of realizing the reality of what
liars they are.
how evil they are and I do think that he is getting Jew fatigue and that that F
bomb was straight from the heart. That's what I think. Well I think that there's a
lot of people that maybe have had similar experiences like maybe a hundred
and nine countries, other people throughout history Bobby Fisher, there's a
lot of you know maybe Kanye West, Henry Ford, Michael Jackson,
I think there's been some some presidents even that had some fatigue and there's a meme can you go to the meme
I have I have a meme this is this is online, but the fatigue is real folks and
You know and again when it comes to this war it just kind of sucks because it's just like
Nobody really wants to be on the side of Iran
Like nobody really likes Islam, but at the same time, it's just like you're both just so awful.
And it's just like nobody really likes you and it's like, why in the world are we just getting so wrapped up and involved?
It's because we're we're in bed with Israel.
It's because Israel is ruling our country and our politics.
And honestly, the only reason it's happening is because so many Christians, so many evangelicals,
so many old IFB are preaching this.
insane idea that we need to just be best buddies with Israel and best buddies with them. And it
seems like an end times deception and end times confusion necessary to bring in maybe some of
these end time events. I don't know, like I want to just defeat Zionism, but I don't know like how
much progress we really will make or not necessarily. I mean, I'm not going to stop, but I'm just
But I mean, well, I mean, here's the thing, 20 years ago, everybody in the Republican
Party was just pretty much gung-ho for Israel.
It seemed like, and all Christians, evangelicals, Baptists seemed like they were all gung-ho
for Israel.
Now mainstream articles are saying that that Trump's base is split.
Republican Party is split on this issue.
That's a massive amount of progress and I mean it is just speeding up people are rejecting
dispensationalism.
They are rejecting the pre-tribulation rapture.
They are rejecting Zionism and they are getting right on these subjects.
They're rejecting feminism and I would say this I think that they're seeing hey maybe
The F word isn't the worst thing that I've ever heard in my entire life.
And, you know, like, whenever I explain what let's go Brandon means,
I mean, it's like, really, are you gonna, are you gonna get mad at me for saying that?
Or, or Joe Biden?
Like we have a fake president. They stole the election. Joe Biden is like sniffing children.
Joe Biden is covering for his son who's doing all kinds of drugs and extorting foreign agencies
and foreign governments. There's crack cocaine found in the White House. Our country was just like
under just complete
just attack when it comes to just inflation and oppression and censorship and all kinds of evil
happening and i'm like can someone get mad about this like can someone say something negative
like can we just stop saying that the emperor even has clothes on anymore like there's the
gaslighting narrative of the of our hollywood and just the media just all unlocks that pretending
Biden even had a brain in his head.
It just made me so mad.
And I think everybody just kind of wanted Trump
to just crush Biden and just like,
maybe that was why a lot of people got behind him.
But it's kind of what Biden represents too.
And again, it's this being propped up
by this shadow government,
these APAC handlers and everybody.
And I get it, some people voted for Trump.
Some people got mad about what he did with Iran recently. Now they're seeing the Jew fatigue
I mean, where where are we at been like where is Trump?
I mean, do you like Trump again? Like does he kind of go back and forth like it was using the F word
Was that a plus or minus in your category? Where you at?
I'll be totally candid with you. I was very pissed off with him over the weekend. You got my text messages about that
And it was because of the fact that I thought he was legitimately gonna get us into a
War and he did I mean he dropped the bomb on Iran that is an act of war
but I thought this was gonna escalate into a full-blown boots on the ground situation potentially and
Him beating the drums of war with Iran was really pissing me off because I knew that he was doing it
at the behest of Israel for Israel for Netanyahu
I will say though that he seems to have
pivoted and
You know him dropping the f-bomb and saying that he's pissed off as Israel at Israel has brought me back
I will say I do presently like Trump, but over the weekend. I was angry with him. I hope that he continues on this direction and Pastor Anderson
What you said I think is
True that he wants to be I think
Inherently he is this way that he wants to be a peacemaker
He really likes to brag about making deals and in his mind being a good president
is being a peace president. I truly believe that. The problem is the base that you describe these
evangelicals who are brainwashing him into believing that he has to worship Israel. And
then additionally, I think the Jewish money as well. Miriam Adelson donating tons and tons of
money to his campaign. He feels like he has to appease Jewish interests. But at his heart,
at his core, I think he really does value being a peace president. And I want to see more of that.
by pivoting back to being a peace president
and rebuking Israel.
So if he uses the F word, can he still be a Christian?
Or how does that work?
Asking for a friend.
I don't know.
What about, how do you feel about the F word
in special music?
No, I'm kidding.
Hey, well maybe I might start liking special music
a little bit more.
Here's what's funny is that on X,
You have people just acting like you're stupid or like being for Trump or against Trump, depending on what he's doing.
And they're acting like you're flip-flopping or something.
It's like, isn't it Trump that's kind of doing the flip-flopping?
Because it's like, you know, one minute Trump's for peace.
The next minute he's jumping bombs on Iran.
Then he's like, okay, now it's time for peace.
And then it's like, now I'm pissed off at Israel.
Thank you.
Now I'm cutting out Netanyahu.
But a few months ago, he's pulling out the chair for Netanyahu and,
and physically like bowing in his posture to Netanyahu.
You know, it's like.
people on X just need to be a little more patient with the fact that we're all
trying to figure out what the Frick is going on with Trump.
And you know what? What is he doing?
Sounds like sounds like you're just reversing the clip on Trump.
And then here's the thing. Yeah, because because here's the thing about Trump,
like, and if anyone has not been a Trump stand, it's me because I've been very
negative about Trump historically. I was negative about him.
Even before he became a politician just for being like a prideful person who loves money and and all that just for being a sleazy guy like like way before he became a politician.
I didn't vote in any election since 2012 when I voted for Ron Paul in the primary.
So I'm not over here standing for Trump at all.
I wasn't even positive about him at all in his first term, okay, but I think that when
people do the right things.
that should be acknowledged.
And there were even a couple of times,
if you can believe this,
when Biden did something that I liked,
and I said, well, you know, I like what Biden did here,
even though Biden's an idiot.
Like, I think intelligent people can be like,
well, I don't necessarily like this person,
but I like what he's doing here,
or I like what he didn't.
Instead of just, our guy can do no wrong.
You know, I'm Republican and the Republicans never make a mistake, and the Democrats do
everything wrong.
Or if you're a Democrat, you know, everything the Republicans do is wrong.
That's just a very simple-minded way of thinking.
I think that in general, over the last six months, I have liked Trump's presidency as
far as I like the culture shift that's happening.
And I do think that him being elected-
did have an impact on the wonderful culture shift that we're seeing, where Pride Month is canceled,
and, you know, a lot of people are waking up about a lot of subjects, and so I've been pretty pleased with it.
You know, it doesn't mean that we can't get mad at Trump when he, you know, does something for Israel or something,
when he's, when he is, you know, being an Israel puppet in this one action, we can get mad at him.
And, you know, we're just, I guess we're just taking his policies a la carte.
And he did he did say in fairness that the Russian roar would be over in one day
He said like it'll be over in one day. Oh, he said that by the time he even got inaugurated
He said it'll be he said if I get elected the Russian Ukraine war will be over before I even take office
He's a politician. He didn't make good on that
But at the end of the day though the last six months have been awesome, you know, I'm dedicated to having my best year ever
And I feel like this year has just been awesome on so many levels, like our church is going awesome, our ministries are going awesome, social media is awesome, and then I just love the way the country is going because the country has been going better for the last six months.
I've just seen like a steady decline in our country for decades.
And then the last six months, I feel like we did a U-turn.
And now things are getting more godly.
And it just seems like things are getting better.
And so, you know, hey, there's nothing wrong.
Even if I've been negative about Trump for a long time,
you know, if I like what he's doing,
I'm gonna acknowledge that.
Yeah.
Well, you made me feel better about myself
because I've definitely flip-flopped
over between last week and this week,
especially over the weekend.
And Pastor Shelley could tell you,
I sent him angry text messages about Trump,
but today he won me back over
And I like him again, but it's because of what he's doing that I'm reacting this way and he seems to be flip-flopping like crazy
So I'm following suit. You know, I'm not just gonna blindly say everything he does is right like you brought up their
Pastor Anderson and that's where people go wrong then on the left, of course
They do the opposite where everything he does is wrong and they're just totally obsessed with their hatred for him
We have another caller caller Stephanie and she wants to ask some questions about marching design
She saw us playing that and and she had maybe gotten some questions about it
So let's see if we can bring on Stephanie. Hey Stephanie. How's it going? I?
Am doing awesome. How are you doing great? Where are you from?
It was actually hot here today, I
Think you cut out. Did you say where you're from?
I'm sorry. I said I'm I'm from Maine. Oh, Maine. Wow. Okay. He said it was hot up there today. That's that's cool
So you you you posted maybe March into Zion online and you you said you got some arguments about that
You want to tell us a little bit about that?
Yes, I just obviously want to thank you guys first of all my family has benefited so much from all the preaching
Um, I was kind of proud of myself because today for the first time I got yelled at in caps online saying I was an anti-Semitic
So I was like, oh wow
It was it really was I'm like I made it I've arrived, but it was because I had put first Thessalonians
216 about
the wrath of God being on them to the uttermost and
It was countered with a statement that I wanted to ask about, which obviously I think it's incorrect, but wondering what you'd say.
The lady who was arguing with me said that the wrath, in that verse, has to do with God being mad at the leadership that killed him,
and that wrath was satisfied in AD 70, and it's not really applicable anymore.
It's wrong.
Well, I mean, obviously the wrath did come upon them in 8070, so it's not to say that
that isn't true, but it's like the wrath didn't come on the quote, leadership, it came on
all of them.
I mean, the entire city is burned to the ground and destroyed and all of the Jews were scattered
as a result of their rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
the wrath of God abides on you anyways. I mean the Bible says in John 3,
like the last verse 36, it says, he that believed it's not, the wrath of God abideth on him.
So even just unbelievers have the wrath of God. I think there's probably
an argument that there's even a more special connection to those that are antichrist or of
this false religion, that the wrath is probably a little bit more vehement in general. But their
The Bible says that the wrath has come upon them the uttermost in the sense that they've been discarded like Deuteronomy 28 said.
And we brought that up earlier in the podcast about how God was just going to punish them in all these special ways and all these curses are going to come upon them.
And, you know, there's something different about them because like Pastor Anderson really hammered in that one clip, they're contrary to all men.
That's not every single person not every single person's contrary to all men yet when you're thrown out of a hundred and nine countries
When virtually everybody is kind of hated you throughout history
It's something we should at least take knowledge of we should at least recognize like hey
This seems to be lining up with exactly what scripture is saying, you know our reality is matching this verse and so, you know
Those would be some of the things I would point to.
I don't know if you have like another thought or verse here, Pastor Anderson, you'd like
to bring up.
Yeah.
I mean, I would just say, well, if it was just for back then.
And it was just all satisfied in AD 70, then why did God even put it in the New Testament so it could just like stop being relevant a couple years after it was written?
Like it just gets written and then, and then just thousands of years of irrelevance.
That makes no sense. Like this is written in the Bible so that we could have it in 2025.
And the question is, are they still contrary to all men?
Well, again, we look at the last 2,000 years of history.
If they're kicked out of 109 countries,
it sounds like they're being contrary to all men, OK?
And then also, I just want to highlight Acts chapter 3,
verse 14, where it says, you denied the holy one
in the just and desired a murderer to be granted unto you
and killed the prince of life, whom God has raised from the dead,
whereof we are witnesses.
And then in verse 17, he says,
Now, brethren, I walk that through ignorance you did it, as did also your rulers.
So again, when he says, you killed the Prince of life, you denied the Holy One and the Just,
you did it through ignorance, as did also your rulers, then for them to just say, oh,
that's just the rulers that did it.
Well, no, it was Jews and their rulers.
That's a really good point.
I should have thought of that one.
Okay, that's a really good answer.
I did notice your short that you had where you're saying that everyone understands the
wrath of God is on unbelievers except if you're a Jew and then it's not on them, you know.
Um, and I wanted to again just thank you for the preaching because she had also made it. She's um, very much a Judaizer
They go and do tours of a replica Tabernacle, I believe and um, but don't they can't speak about Jesus and all this stuff
So I knew when I posted that documentary that there would be some pushback from these Facebook friends, but
She made the comment that nowhere in the Bible
does
Does God call?
Christians a nation and so I said, well, yeah, he did I do and I posted, you know first Peter 2 9 and she responded with
Well, that was written to Jews that doesn't count more or less
so I'm like it kind of threw me for a second because
Well, that doesn't necessarily matter anyway because even if they're Jews, they were saved
but I was one of your sermons and
Sorry, go ahead what oh?
You pulled up one of the sermons what your sermons on
First Peter 2 and then I heard you say well
What about first Peter 2 10 and I'm like no it's right there. That's the answer
That it was not written to Jews and it is applicable to me. I am part of a holy nation
You know exactly because that was because it says that in time past
They were not a people but now they are the people of God if it was talking about
Israel or Jews then they would have just always been a nation and always been the people of God
Why is it like hey now you guys are a nation now? You're the people of God
Now, here's the thing, if you think about the epistle of 1 Peter in general, he starts
out in verse number one of chapter one saying, Peter and Apostle of Jesus Christ to the strangers
scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.
So what they're claiming is, oh, well the reason that they're strangers is because they're
all Jews that just happen to be living in these places.
Okay, they are strangers because and again, if we let the context define itself, they are
strangers because of the fact that we all as Christians are sojourners in this world. We are
passing through, we're in this world, but we're not of this world. And he is writing to these
places in Pontus Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bythena, which are, you know, places in Turkey,
You know, obviously we're very familiar with Galatia with the with the book of Galatians and so forth
But, you know, again, if he wanted to say Jews, he could have just said Jews.
He could have just said to the 12 tribes which are scattered abroad greeting.
But instead, he says, strangers scattered throughout Pontus Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia,
and Bithynia.
But then look at the next words, elect according to the foreknowledge of God through sanctification
of the Spirit unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ.
Christians is what we're talking about and then if we go to chapter 5 and look at the very end of verse Peter
You know it says in first Peter chapter 5 verse 13. It says the church that is at Babylon
Elected together with you so ludeth you and so does Marcus my son
So when he's talking to them and saying that they're elect or chosen
Okay, he's saying well the church at Babylon is just as chosen as you guys are
You know because guess what?
Being the chosen people in the New Testament is about being a saved Christian.
That's what 1 Peter 1-2 is driving in.
Chapter 5 verse 13 backs that up.
Peter is writing from Babylon.
which shows that he is not still stuck at Jerusalem,
but he has finally, later in his life,
followed the mandate to go teach all nations
what Jesus told him to do in the Great Commission,
and he's out doing foreign missions,
he's in Babylon, he's writing to people in Turkey,
and to say, oh, this is, he's just talking to Jews.
I mean, it's just, it's an absurd stretch.
But furthermore, I'm not done,
because in first Peter chapter two,
where he says you're a peculiar people every single Baptist every single evangelical church
I've ever been to says that the Bible tells us we're supposed to be a peculiar people and they
quote this about us as Gentile Christians and then all of a sudden it becomes about Jews.
How does that work? Yeah and I'm thinking of
All the verses like in those books that we're always quoting like as newborn babes
Desire that since your milk of the word is like is that is none of that for us
Exactly so I asked her I said so, you know is the way that you see it
That you and I are none of these things were not a royal priesthood or a peculiar people or a holy nation
And she yeah, he did not answer me
And yeah, that's a great I love what you said there. I love what you said there the way that you express that was beautiful
It's like, oh, so you're saying that we're not a royal priesthood because these same Baptist and evangelicals believe in the priesthood of the believer
That's an excellent point. Love it. Yeah
Well, thank you. Yeah, I had so many questions here. I could take up your whole night
But I really wanted to thank you guys for the documentary and the Facebook pages because I'm studying this again now, you know, it's very
relevant to the times and
Just finding so much. I
Don't know if I could ask you one more question
What does the fullness of the gen piles need
So, I did a whole sermon on that on Sunday night, so I would just kind of point you to
my Sunday night sermon because, you know, I would connect like Luke 21, 24 with Revelation
chapter 11, the first few verses with Romans 11, 25.
On on Sunday night, so I just point you to my Sunday night sermon called Israel in the end times
And I went on a big long thing about that
This is probably the question I'm most scared to ask you but it's been on my mind for months because as I listen to you guys
I get excited about what I'm learning and I want to share it
but my my
conundrum is
If I am going to be like a meek and a quiet woman
Is it appropriate for me to like I don't want to say statement of faith
But is it okay for me to kind of be putting things like that online or is that?
Something that I say I should kind of oh
Okay, I didn't know if that makes me kind of a loud mouth.
No, I just think, I just think that, you know, obviously women are not supposed to be like
preaching behind the pulpit in church.
They're not supposed to be pastors.
The Bible is really clear on that.
They're supposed to keep silence in the church and, you know, men should be doing the teaching
and preaching and so forth.
But as far as, you know, going online and posting the truth and typing comments, first
I've never heard text that I read on, I think someone would have to be on LSD in order to actually hear written text.
So therefore, you know, the bottom line is that it doesn't mean that you're not being
meek and quiet if you're typing things online, you know?
And I mean, I don't think meek and quiet means you can't have an opinion, express an opinion,
discuss things.
I mean, if a bunch of ladies got together and talked about Israel in the Bible or something,
it's not like, hey, stop talking about the Bible or something.
I mean, I think God wants all of us thinking about and talking about the Bible, you know?
Still be obnoxious. Well, I'm glad to do that. Yeah, I mean inevitably though you end up engaging with other
You know other men who will disagree with you and I was just like I hope this is appropriate
But I really enjoy the conversation because I end up studying, you know
Yeah, we send women out door-to-door soul winning and they are preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to men
And the Bible explicitly sanctions that.
And so, yeah, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, in my view.
I would just, I would just say like, you know, obviously, you know, when you put ideas out
there, sometimes people are going to combat those ideas, whether they're, whether you're
right or wrong, it doesn't really matter.
Someone that's wrong is going to get mad at you.
And you know, if you're wrong, someone that's right might get mad at you.
I would just say just be careful to just not like get in endless troll arguments and constantly
You know, I think that's more of where it seems like it starts crossing a line and it's not even necessarily just gender specific.
I think that all of us could potentially get into a kind of a trap of just like getting into endless debates and whatever.
But obviously men are kind of more supposed to be the ones contending and fighting and just maybe being a little bit more loud.
So like to me, that's more important.
But like, I would never tell a woman like you're not allowed to share a Bible verse.
You're not allowed to talk about the Bible or something like that, but at the same time,
you know, obviously, you know, just using some discretion, I think, is probably wise
about, you know, contending with people and arguing and feeling like you have to correct
people and all that kind of stuff, because that does seem a little bit...
obnoxious from my viewpoint when I see women trying to go around policing
everybody I guess you could say mothering everybody right if that makes
sense like maybe at some point you just agree to disagree you know
But again, like you're gonna overcome arguments when you're going soul-winning like, you know
I mean it makes sense like women are gonna have to overcome
arguments explained to people why they may be wrong about a particular doctrine or particular idea to get them saved and
so there's probably some nuance there, but
Well, there's gonna be idiots who listed to this and think that we're being hypocritical. I just want to make a clear distinction
She didn't call in and ask is it okay for me to get up on Facebook and lie and slander and rail on men of God?
No, that's not what she asked. She's asking about just sharing doctrine sharing Bible verses
So there's a very clear difference the loudmouth women that you often hear us preaching against are getting up on the internet
To rail and attack men of God constantly all day every day
There's slanderers and they just hurl false accusations online all the time
Those are the loud mouths that need to shut up and get back in the kitchen
Yeah, she's not asking for permission to do ad hominems.
against, you know, and to just be calling out, you know, Christian pastors and Baptist
pastors.
She's talking about preaching doctrine, talking about issues, you know, posting Bible, countering
arguments against biblical claims.
That's different than, you know, just, oh, this pastor is such an idiot, blah, blah,
blah, you know, obviously, you know, neither gender should be obnoxious, but obviously,
You know, do want to have that meek and quiet spirit, but I just don't think that engaging
in biblical discussion violates that at all.
Doesn't have to.
Okay.
Well, that's very clarifying.
So I didn't know for sure what my boundaries are, but the more I learn, the more I want
to say, and I don't know where I should cut myself off, though.
Well again, I think there's just always discretion, but I mean at the end of the day sharing
You know the word of God is not necessarily a bad thing
But obviously there's a lot of women sharing the Bible online and they're sharing all kinds of false doctrine
heresy all kinds of weird stuff and
It kind of ends up becoming embarrassing as a result of that and so you know
It's more it's more kind of the spirit and what's being shared a lot of times, but
Uh, I think it's just, it's kind of a discretion type situation.
Well, thank you very, very much for your time.
I was so excited to talk to you guys.
Thanks for calling in Stephanie and, uh, hope you enjoy that warm weather up in Maine.
We'll let you go.
Thanks for calling in.
Yeah, I mean, this issue is an issue that a lot of people
are kind of on different journeys.
Like some of us have learned about this for a long time ago
and we have a lot of knowledge.
And yet there's still a lot of people that are kind of new
to this, starting to hear about it the first time,
having different opinions and engaging the boomer audience
by and large is difficult.
I mean, they are just hook, line and sinker, Zionist.
They're so pro-Zionist it's kind of nauseating and so it is very difficult to overcome them.
I mean I've had people watch all of marching to Zion and then just say it's wrong
and then it's just like where is it wrong or you show them verses in the Bible and they say well
that's not what it's saying.
And again, this, and all Israel shall be saved is just,
I mean, that is like the coup d'aigreau.
That is just like what they just bring up,
just all the stinking time,
just over and over and over again.
God's not done with Israel.
And all Israel shall be saved.
And I just, you know, it's like they ignore chapter nine,
which you brought up in one of your clips
about how it says they're not all Israel,
which are of Israel.
Like there's a difference between spiritual Israel
And when we look at some of these verses, we have to understand, you know, even in the verse preceding, in verse 25, it says that blindness is, in part, has happened to Israel.
Well, who is that then?
Who is this blindness in part? So it sounds like some people are blind, some people are not.
Well, it's pretty obvious that there's even a distinguishment between the carnal Israel that not all of carnal Israel is saved.
Some of carnal Israel is unbelieving. They're disobedient. They rejected the Lord Jesus Christ.
And yet there will be a day when all of carnal Israel will be spiritual Israel.
When is that? After all the Gentiles come in.
So, who are the Gentiles? That's all of us that are saved, and we haven't come in yet.
So, yeah, there is going to be coming a day when spiritual Israel and carnal Israel will be one and the same.
And yeah, at that day, all of Israel will be saved, but until then, we don't have this.
We have this distinction between, quote, carnal Israel and spiritual Israel.
I'm sure that there this is a difficult passage, and I think it needs whole sermons to be listened to
But just on the surface, you know, I believe this is talking about the millennial rain
Carnal Israel and spirituals would be one in the same
That's how I typically explain it try to make it pretty simple and the fullness of the Gentiles become and is just until we get to the end
of this world and we have the essential
Millennial rain. I don't know if that's an easy summary. Do you have an easier summary of that?
Passage pastor Anderson. I
Mean, I like what you said there
What what I typically tell people about this all Israel shall be saved is just well if all Israel shall be saved
Then it sounds to me like only saved people are gonna make up Israel at that time
You know, and they have this weird view that just unsaved Jews are just all gonna get saved en masse in the future
it's just a pipe dream and I think part of the misunderstanding if you read the
entire chapter of Romans chapter 11 yeah part of the misunderstanding is that
you know Paul is talking about a hypothetical like man wouldn't it be
great if the Jews would get saved and you know just like the Gentiles could
come in how much how much even more natural would it be to graft them back
in God's able to graft men
And of course, God is able to save them.
God is able to grab them in.
They can come to Christ whenever they want.
But the problem is that they haven't.
2,000 years later, they haven't.
They don't want to.
They have no desire to.
And there is not even a hint of them getting saved.
And so, this stupid fiction that, oh,
Jews are getting saved on mass and oh, you know all the Jews are gonna get saved in the end times. It's it's baloney
It's not scriptural. It makes no sense. It defies all common sense and logic and you know, it's funny
I was just out soul winning last Saturday
And I knocked on the door of a guy who said,
I'm a Messianic Jew.
I asked him about salvation.
And of course, he gave me all the wrong answers,
workspace salvation.
He believes you can lose your salvation
and everything like that.
And I told my soul winning partner,
I said, yeah, I just wanted to make sure
to ask him those questions,
just to see if someday I will ever meet
a Messianic Jew who is actually saved.
Because I've talked to
hundreds of Messianic Jews and they are never saved and I'm not saying that there isn't a Messianic
Jew out there who's saved but every single person who calls themselves that Messianic Jew is never
saved in my personal experience that's my experience of talking to hundreds of them I've never seen
one online who even had the right gospel okay and here's the thing I have seen Jews get saved I have
I've had people come to my church who got saved watching marching design.
They were raised either in an Orthodox household or other type of Jewish household, got saved.
I've baptized Jews at my church, okay, at Faith Forward Baptist Church.
These hands have baptized Jews that got saved.
Watching my preaching about Israel and Jews and marching design and yet these people are not Messianic Jews
They don't call themselves Messianic Jews. You know what they are? They're Baptist, right? They're Christian
You know the ones who have that label
are bogus, okay?
And here's the thing.
Yeah, in 20 years of mystery, excuse me, ministry,
not mystery, in 20 years of ministry,
I could count like on one hand,
how many Jews have gotten saved,
even though we've reached, you know,
just so many, tens of thousands of people
through soul winning.
hundreds of thousands of people that we've reached online,
you know, you get pretty much count on one hand
how many Jews got saved that we know about, okay?
I mean, I have that question in my church,
and zero people raised their hand.
I remember that. Yeah, I saw that clip where you said how many of you have ever gotten a Jew saved out soul winning
And it was a zero and and I think if I asked the question in my church
It might be a zero too except myself
I could put up my ink because I because I've had one in in in 26 years of soul winning. I've had one saved out soul winning
There wasn't I visited not that long ago
had a second one that almost got saved she listened to the whole plan of
salvation and I thought she was gonna get saved and I was pleading with her I
was like begging her to get saved but she just wasn't there you know she just
wasn't ready and you know I can honestly say that when I'm preaching the gospel to
Jews out so many on the rare occasion that they actually let you even preach
and I'm praying in my heart that they'll be saved,
longing for them to be saved, wanting them to be saved,
because I love them just as much as I love
any other lost person that I'm giving the gospel to.
I always think about where Jesus,
beholding him loved him, the Bible says,
where he looks upon the multitudes,
he has compassion on them,
or he looks upon a lost person and he loves them.
That's how I feel.
And so to say that we're hateful or anti-Semitic for that also I want to just go back to something that was brought up way earlier in the show like two hours ago or something.
Okay, this idea that some people on X and other platforms they're too radical in their hatred of Jews and they they actually go overboard with it.
And he told me, he said, it's funny people say that you're hateful and that you're inciting hate, but he said, I actually hated Jews before I started listening to you.
And then I started listening to you and you actually kind of like moderated my viewpoint.
to actually understand, okay, the Jews are bad,
but we love them and want them to be saved.
And so actually, you know, I'm toning people down sometimes,
too.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, we're.
Well, and you, you know, you want to get someone say,
you want to get a Jew saved out soul winning
so you can get those 6 million golden stars in heaven.
And I've been to your church
Not that long ago, and one of the members there was a Jew, like ethnically speaking,
that had gotten saved and is now Baptist and was going to a Christian church, considers
himself Christian.
And so, you know, it's not that...
I mean, I did give the gospel to a young college student who was Jewish, and like, I felt like
I was making progress.
I was really hoping that they would get saved, but they ended up...
just having to leave or they were out of time or something like that, so I didn't end up getting
to finish. But like, you know, I don't get that many opportunities. I'm not like running into
Jews every other day. It's not New York City or something. But I'm not going down in the tunnels.
But you know, at the end of the day, like if I were to run across a Jew, I'm not going to not
give them the gospel. But you know, I'm just saying the odds of getting a Jew and getting
then Muslims is in general, and so, you know, why are we so gung-ho to nuke Iran and nuke Muslims
when they're technically, in my opinion, slightly more receptive to the gospel and are probably
even more likely to get saved? That was kind of the point that I was trying to make.
that just claims that just millions and millions of Jews are just gonna get saved all at once in
the end times. I've heard it. It's it's fiction. Baptist. I mean, I heard a guy was pre-trib.
Basically explained to me their view on Zionism and I was trying to understand because I'm like saying don't you think Jews are like wicked?
And he's like, well, yeah, and I'm like, don't you see how they're running like Hollywood and all this and he's like, yeah
And it's just like it's like pretty much just like they're we're in lockstep and then he just says yeah
But I think like right before Christ comes or like right when he comes like just they're all gonna get saved
And it's just like, okay, sounds cool, I guess.
Like it's not that I don't want people to be saved,
but I'm just like, salvation's by faith.
It's not by sight.
It's an attack on the gospel, in my opinion.
Well, and I'm like, who's preaching them the gospel?
Are they just all getting a loudspeaker,
like presentation or something like that
and magically believing in faith alone?
But there's nothing more important
than our doctrine about salvation and the gospel
and evangelism.
Like these are the really important subjects.
And it's really sad.
that someone would let their view on eschatology or Israel lead them to just throw salvation doctrine out the window.
Because salvation is by faith, and these people who believe in this mass conversion of Israel in the end times,
they believe that it will not be by faith, but that it will be by sight.
Because these dispies, I'll tell you exactly what they preach.
They preach, oh, will the Jews require a sign?
And so, you know, when they see Christ come into the clouds, then they'll believe.
You know, and this is what they said to Jesus when he was on the cross.
Come down from the cross so that we can see and believe.
Right and and what did Jesus tell that generate?
He said a wicked and adulterous generation seek it after a sign and there shall no sign be given it
But the sign of the prophet Jonah and the thing about this is that preachers will get up and just deceptively
Quote this one part of verse the Jews require a sign when in reality in first Corinthians one
He's saying well the the Jews require a sign the Greeks desire wisdom, but we preach Christ
Yeah.
And to the Jews, it's a assembly block.
And to the Greeks, it's foolishness.
But in the us which are saved, it's the power of God.
The Bible is consistently saying,
the Jews want to sign and they're not going to get it.
Yeah, there's still no sign to be given.
In Jesus, without faith, it is impossible to please him.
And then they have this stupid doctrine,
oh, they're just going to get saved.
They're going to see Jesus and then believe in him.
Pillar and ground.
You don't have to believe in him.
Yeah, I agree pillar and ground has a comment here. He says Jews will at least be rude and walk away with no interest
Muslims waste your time with being polite in 15 minutes, and you realize they just want to debate
but I have a tip on that though because
That is true
I just find that when I'm talking to Muslims or one of these hardcore religious, you know, false religions or something
I just I just say this the Bible says something completely different if I could prove that to you
Would you be willing to change your mind and if they say yes, then I'll present the gospel
But if they say no, then I say okay
Well, if you do change if you are interested here watch the video or whatever maybe give them a verse
But sometimes it's more beneficial to just kind of ask them. Hey
are you willing to change your mind? And let's ask all these Jews in Israel,
are you willing to change their mind? I don't even think they would say,
yeah, if Jesus Christ came back in the clouds, I would change my mind. Because Sarah Silverman said
that if Jesus Christ came back, she would just crucify him again. So, you know, like, why would
I believe that when Jesus did show up to all the Jews and did all these signs and did all these
in coming in the clouds or any of this stuff, they're gonna randomly believe all of a sudden.
Like, it's actually a rejection of what the New Testament taught in the Gospels of what already happened.
Jesus already did all these signs and miracles before them and they rejected it.
Well, God can do anything. Well, God can do anything. God can save them.
The thing that's so stupid about that is it's also an attack on the fact that God wants everyone to be saved.
The Bible says he will have all men to be saved and to come into the knowledge of the truth
The Bible says he's not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance
So if God can do God can do anything and God can just save people whenever he wants
Then why wouldn't he just save everybody? Why are you just saving ever? Why is he saving all the Jews right now?
Why save the most everybody in Arizona? Yeah, because it's a lie because the truth is Jesus died for everyone
He wants everyone to be saved
But it is up to the individual to receive that free gift by faith.
They have to confess that Jesus is the Son of God.
They have to put their faith and trust in Christ.
And, you know, this stupid doctrine
that says all the Jews are going to get saved in the end times.
It's taking the personal choice out of salvation.
And it's it's a garbage doctrine.
I mean, it could make sense for Calvinists,
but the funny thing is like most of the people who believe in it
aren't even Calvinists.
But then all of a sudden they become a Calvinist just for this one doctrine.
Well, just focusing on what Romans 11-26 is actually saying, and so all Israel shall be saved.
You guys already brought it up, but hey, during the millennium...
Israel will consist only of saved people during the Millennium Israel will consist only of saved people and in my opinion
I think the Old Testament actually points us to this repeatedly this idea
That one day the nation of Israel will consist only of saved people
You know you look at for examples of passages like in Psalm 69 for God will save Zion and will build the cities of Judah that they may dwell there and
Have it in possession
the seed also of his servants shall inherit it, and they that love his name shall dwell therein."
The Bible talks about how Jerusalem is going to be holy in Joel chapter 3. Isaiah 60,
thy people also shall be all righteous. In his days Jeremiah 23 says Judah shall be saved.
Psalm 37, the righteous shall inherit the land and dwell therein forever. Isaiah 45,
but Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation. I understand
When we're dealing with the Old Testament, there's near future application. I get that,
but I think that what these are pointing us to from an End Times perspective is,
all Israel shall be saved. One day it'll consist only of saved people when the fullness of the
Gentiles has come in, which if you look at Luke 21 and compare it to Revelation chapter 11,
clearly that's the end of Daniel's 70th week. The millennial reign established on this earth,
that's what that passage is actually talking about, and that makes a heck of a lot more sense
the false idea that they all magically get converted out of nowhere.
Well, and Jesus said that he had sheep that were not of this fold and that he was going to be bringing them in.
Is that not just the Gentiles being brought in and then we have the fullness meaning that we've gathered everybody basically at this period of time?
I kind of think that the times of the Gentiles could be understood in a few different ways because it's almost like post the gospel, the passion of Christ
We kind of focus in on Gentiles all the way up until the very end.
And then another way is just like that end time section of time where it's
kind of like the Antichrist to the end.
It's kind of like the Antichrist is in charge and it's like the times of the Gentiles.
So I kind of look at it as possibly as like two different ways to kind of look at
that, but just in general, I mean, it's been the times of the Gentiles.
The epistles are written to the Gentiles.
The Gentiles are mostly what we consider the Church of God,
albeit there was a few crossovers when you have the Apostle Paul as obviously a Jew
who ends up becoming a Christian. You have other Jews that do become Christians, but
by and large, the Church is made up of Gentiles, and the Church has been run by Gentiles,
and the Church has been kept by Gentiles, and the New Testament Scriptures,
I mean you got the King James Bible in here, it's King James.
King James is a Gentile, and of course, we have Gentiles, you know, basically doing the work today,
going out and being the missionaries, preaching the gospel, being pastors.
And so, yeah, it is the time of the Gentiles for right now.
The nation of Israel has been done with, and they'll say, well, but God's not done with Israel
and all this kind of stuff. And it's like, okay,
God's not done with Israel, but like maybe not in the way you mean it not in what you mean
Yeah, he's definitely not done. Obviously that geography. I think is still significant
I still think that you know, it's very likely they're gonna rebuild a third temple on the Temple Mount
Not in the city of David
Period. Yeah temple on Temple Mount on Temple Mount period temple on Temple Mount
Think there's an alternative movie that nobody's watching or buying or paying attention to that explains a dumb theory on that
But when it comes to you know
Reality and history seems like the Temple Mount will have a reconstructed third temple and
That to me is kind of like the kickoff too
We might be pretty close to the end times because you know what with this
Iran-Israel conflict. This is kind of like wars and rumors of wars a little bit to me.
You know, the Bible says in Matthew 24, the end is not buy and buy. And the phrase buy and buy
just means immediately or like we're right there at the very end. So I think just because we had
this conflict doesn't mean that we're necessarily just like on the edge of the end times. And I
think a lot of people are worried about that. I mean, I had someone that I was talking to
about something completely unrelated. It had nothing to do with Israel and Iran. And they're
hey, by the way, are we in the end times? We tell me like, are we really there? And I'm just like,
I don't know. I mean, I can't say for sure like how close we are, but I know that I'm not going to
really get too nervous until the temple starts being instructed in Israel. And they kind of
agreed. They're like, yeah, I think that, I think that makes sense. But most churches,
they're hearing a pre-trib message, they're getting ready to get raptured. You have some churches kind
post I use post-trib but I don't know like it's kind of like bringing in the
kingdom doctrine is what I call it it's really where they kind of post mill
sometimes yeah post mill but I mean there's even yeah I guess that's really
what I'm leaning to. We're post-trib too there's like an there's another post-trib
that's not pre-wrath there's like a post-trib post-wrath you have to. Yeah that's
called that's usually called
classical post-drib or something is what they like to call that.
But the post mill is more what I was leaning into.
It's just kind of this idea of like bringing the kingdom and we need to like
everybody's going to become Christian or something.
We're going to dominate and take over the world, which is kind of a strange
view too. But at the end of the day, it's like, Hey,
obviously there's probably a limit to how far we can take things.
I think that the Jews are probably going to still retain control.
They're going to still bring in their anti-Christ.
They're probably going to still have America by the balls, as it were,
even though we're the whore of Babylon and we're going to do its bidding.
But telling it like it is just mixed metaphors there, buddy.
Well, it's it's kind of like the Statue of Liberty.
It's like it looks like a woman, but it's kind of like a dude in reality.
But, you know, at the end of the day, we have just in times,
prophecy will happen. We can't stop it. It is inevitable.
But yeah, but what we can do is we can still get a lot of people onto the truth and that can lead people to getting saved
And that's what's really important. Plus, you know, just enjoying our time here now. Anyways, I mean, I would be honest
The last few months has been a lot better than any time we had under Biden.
I mean, the time under Biden was hell and there was a lot of censorship, a lot of attack.
I think that this attitude that just always thinks we're in the end times and this is the war, it's all starting, it's all happening.
You know, I don't think it's necessarily a healthy attitude.
You know, and here's why.
You're kind of saying hey the end times are inevitable and like earlier you were saying like well
We want to fight against Zionism, but you know is Zionism kind of inevitable for the end and you know
We can't really necessarily totally defeat it and whatever but here's the thing we shouldn't just assume
Oh, it's all about to happen
So and then have like a and I know you I know you didn't mean it that way
But like having a fatalistic attitude of just hey, we can't stop it
because frankly, we can make a huge difference because we have literally altered the course of
history over the last 20 years. We have dramatically changed people's view on Israel. I'm not saying
that I did it alone or that even our group of preachers did it alone, but we did have a major
impact. We did reach literally tens of millions of people minimum.
America with this message and so as far as that heard the preaching on Israel that saw marching design and everything
So, you know, we can make a difference. You can make a difference
I can make a difference the lady that called for Maine can make a difference
You know, we are reaching people and we are changing hearts and minds and we don't want to have this attitude that says well
You know, who cares because it's all gonna happen. Anyway, even so come Lord Jesus
Well, okay, but we might be here for a few more hundred years. Let's fight for the truth. Let's fight for America
Let's fight for what's right and not just roll over and have this fatalistic attitude of well
We can't stop the one-world system, you know, well, let's at least try though to fight or
Truth all the time because whether it happens or doesn't happen you can never go wrong just fighting for truth
Well, and I feel like even if it wasn't inevitable think about it this way. Let's just say it's super inevitable
Okay, but don't you want as many allies as possible when we have to go through that horrible tribulation?
So just that many more people that are like, hey, I know that guy
That guy was telling us all this stuff was gonna happen. It is inevitable
But it's not inevitable for our lifetime. Right. I agree very good
That all of us will grow old and live to be ninety a hundred and die
Long before any of this happens, you know what I mean? And so this attitude of you know
Always thinking that it's right about to happen. I don't necessarily believe is the health is extremely
Extremely extremely likely that it could happen right now
Like, that's what the pre trippers are saying.
I mean, I mean, the pre trippers were just absolutely losing it this week.
Yeah.
Just, I mean, they were just, they were just ready to be raptured.
I mean, they were just like getting their houses in order.
And I mean, they were just ready to go.
Like they were leaving the little cassettes behind like, Hey, if you found this,
I disappeared, you know, it means you're left behind.
They were making all those messages and everything.
It's wild, man.
They didn't even buy groceries.
And look, the preacher rapture is such a wrong and foolish and unbiblical doctrine.
And you know what?
People are waking up on that, too.
The boy's pride wolf is getting old.
I'm just so happy about the last, like, six months, because, you know, I preached a sermon
called This Will Be Our Greatest Year, and, like, I didn't even realize how great it was
It ended up just being it's just it's going so much better than I could have even imagined because when I said this will be our greatest year
I just meant like faithful word Baptist Church and me personally
But then it ended up just like even America is on board with with the greatest year ever
And I feel like you're having your greatest year ever Pastor Shelly like oh yeah, it's not even close
And I feel like I feel like Pastor Mejia is having his greatest year ever
and I just, I just, I'm looking at guys like Pastor Dylan Oz in Oklahoma City, I'm looking
at Corbin Russell in Tucson, Arizona, I'm looking at Pastor Thompson in all the cities
that he is, you know, let's go down the list, right, was Seattle, Portland, Yakima, Vancouver,
Washington. He planted the church in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Yep, with Pastor Jim Weeb.
Pastor Jim Weeb. I'm just looking at all these guys. I feel like everybody is just surging.
Everybody's having a great year. The country is like cancelling Pride Month. I mean,
I have not seen a damn thing about Pride Month.
In June out in the real world like I'm saying I didn't see it at the store
I didn't see it at the the anywhere. I didn't see I haven't seen anything
And I don't live under a rock. I go out and do stuff go places and stuff
I haven't seen anything and as far as online. I've seen maybe like two brands that did the rainbow logo
Whereas last year it was like 50 brands 20 brands everybody was doing it and the last six months have been awesome
People are waking up about Israel. People are waking up about the sodomites
You know, it's just it's just everything's going so great
And and I just hope that people interpret this as hey
We can make a difference if we preach and win souls
You know what we are more than conquerors and we can succeed
It's exciting.
Well, I've definitely been having, I mean, our church has been having an epic year and
we've pretty much already broken every record already.
let alone what we're going to do in the next six months.
I am planning and trying to work on the few other things.
I think like baptisms is like virtually the only thing
that we haven't already broken.
Now, we already broke last year's record for baptisms,
but I'm just saying like all time records.
I think that we've already broken our salvations
for all time.
Like of all time we've already broken our salvations
for the year.
And it's only June.
It's only June.
And we have a huge mission trip coming up.
I have personally broken my all-time personal best
for soul winning for myself for any year.
And I've been soul winning for 26 years
and it's only June.
And I just broke my all-time record.
You know, and it's only halfway through the year.
And so God is pouring out his spirit
and even America is becoming better.
Arizona is becoming better.
I mean, it's just, I just feel like
Our works, you know, yeah, they have great spiritual value, of course, but I think that also
they have an impact on our nation and
that if if God's people which are called by his name will humble themselves and pray and seek his face and
Turn from their wicked ways, right? He'll hear from heaven. He'll forgive their sin and he will heal their land
And so, you know, we need to be pushing and fighting and preaching and soul winning and God can make a, you know, make things better for us in America.
And, you know, the last six months have been trending in the right direction.
But you know what? I want it. I want to keep riding that wave.
I don't want the momentum to slow down, man. I want this country to keep moving in the right direction like it has for the last six months.
Well getting is so good right now. I mean you need to just get in there
I mean before Pastor Anderson gets the entire Bahamas saved by himself
I mean you got to figure out a way to get out there and and do some of the work and I mean we have an epic conference coming up
the FBBF conference at Steadfast Baptist Church
August 27th through the 31st
You're gonna be afraid to miss this. You don't want to get the fear of missing out and just miss one of the most epic conferences
We have guest preachers coming in. We have Corbin Russell
Pastor Corbin Russell. We have Pastor Aaron Thompson Pastor Dylan Oz pastor Stephen Anderson
Pastor Enrique Reyes. I'll be preaching one of the services. We have a lot of events
scheduled that are gonna be fun family events, some men's events, we have a singles event,
so we have all kinds of different things scheduled. We're gonna have some really cool
t-shirts, so we're working on some pretty cool t-shirts for the new IFB fan club,
and we're also thinking about making some stickers, lanyards, we've got all kinds of merch.
I mean this is gonna be the the conference you want to go to. Oh, and by the way, when he says
just just for the viewers at home when he says merch this stuff is all given away for free
absolutely because you know it's not like one of these conferences where they're
making god's house into a house of merchandise and telling you to buy merchandise nothing's
for sale at said fast baptist church nobody shows up and buys things this is we won't have
an hour long preview for the bible college and then like an advertisement and then give away
But the swag is free, right?
That's what I'm saying. The quote or quote merch is free. You just got to show up. Yeah
I yeah, I use that term obviously
Means like you're buying something, but we're buying so it's free merch
Oh, I know
I just wanted to clarify for the viewer at home because if the viewer is not familiar with our churches
They might not understand the fact that we don't sell things at church
Because Jesus flipped over the tables for selling things at church, so
Well, I'm really excited about this this year in the next six months. We got an oak. We got a
Bahamas missions trip in October 6th through 11th. We're doing Shreveport, Louisiana Marathon this Saturday
And that's always been really fruitful
Really big thing our evangelists and the Philippines has been killing it
He's been starting a church out there evangelist Duncan Urbanik
And so there's a lot of stuff going overseas with our church our church has been growing
Honestly, it's hard to even find a place to sit or park.
Ben, what is it like at Steadfast Baptist Church right now?
Oh, it's packed.
It's a totally packed house, that's for sure.
Like more than normal.
Yeah, more than normal.
We have more people than we've ever had before.
It is definitely a burst to get the seams right now.
But I think that is just a product of the fact that the church is totally on fire and
I feel like we have a dream team here in the DFW area
We've got so many great soul winners and people who just love the Lord. It's refreshing
To go to church every week, especially in the midweek service
You get that spiritual boost in the middle of the work week. You go back on Sunday. We've got all kinds of events coming up
We've got mission trips. We've got conferences and
Hey, you know what? I'm willing to call the Fire Breathing Baptist Fellowship the new Super Bowl of the new IFB.
And so if you're out there and you're thinking about going to a conference and you're maybe bummed out about red-hot no longer being a thing,
go to the Fire Breathing Baptist Fellowship, show up, listen to the preaching, come party with us spiritually,
and, you know, let's just keep going, you know what I mean? And those who've left, they're missing out.
At the end of the day, we're going about our business, we're growing, and this will be our best year ever.
Well, you know what? It's easier for us to replace the people that leave than for the people who leave to replace us.
I'll tell you that right now.
Yeah, like drop Wow
That is true. Well, it what I've noticed is nobody ever leaves us
I mean the people that know they just obsessively watch everything leave us
I mean, I guarantee they watch my sermons more they're watching now they did before oh, yeah
They're more engaged making more clips. They're watching this right now more posts
I mean, I'm like thinking like, man, what does it mean to leave?
Like, leaving is like actually joining.
Leaving is leaving and joining.
Talk about a fan like you're a super fan.
Like that's the problem is like when you leave, you become an extra super fan or something like that.
You can't get enough of the new IFB.
And so it's it's fun.
You might as well just stay in, you know, while it's like better when you're in the water.
It's like that midseason time when you're in the pool.
And it's just like it's not quite hot enough to get out so it's like it's better when you're just staying in the pool
Because you get out then it's chilly
So you just want to kind of stay in the pool unless it's 40 degrees then it's a little too chilly pass
Yeah, and you know I think that the the the fire-breathing Baptist Fellowship is a good replacement for the red hot preaching conference anyway
Because it's also probably more centrally located for most people too just geographically because the red hot preaching conference was always in California
On the extreme, you know west of our country, whereas Dallas, Fort Worth is is pretty central
And you've got American Airlines direct flights Southwest Airlines direct flights from
Almost everywhere and it's just it's just pretty easy to get to you know
There aren't a lot of direct flights to Sacramento necessarily
But there are a lot of direct flights to DFW and so it's it's it's closer to drive
It's it's closer to fly and so it's it's really convenient
The only the only issue is just going to be where to put everybody but it's going to be awesome. I'm looking forward to it. I like how at the fire breathing Baptist fellowship we're going ice skating. So we're really running the whole gamut of temperatures here folks.
We got to cool down from all the preaching. I would that word cold or hot you know cold in the morning ice skating and hot at night with the preaching fire and ice none of this Luke fire and ice conference.
Yeah, so no, it's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm excited about it
It is going to be packed, but at the end of the day, it's just that much more fun.
And so we're really looking forward to it.
Obviously, God willing, you know, in the future, maybe we'll get even bigger space and then
we can really accommodate a large crowd.
But honestly, we've been just growing so fast, it's kind of hard to keep up.
But God's been blessing and I'm really excited.
I'm excited.
You know, I wanted Trump to be elected just because I feel like we could do our thing, not because I was super pro Trump,
but so far we've been able to kind of do our thing and we should take advantage of it while we got it.
So, you know, I guess if he's going to drop F-bombs, I'm just thinking like, well, you know, take the heat off of me, buddy.
You know, I'm just, I'm just joining the club.
So, it's good to go.
But yeah, he's changing the culture for the better, too.
Any any last words or anything else you want to say, Pastor Anderson, before before we wrap up?
No, just thanks again for having me on.
Appreciate the opportunity to get to talk to your audience on here and people on rumble,
because you know, you have I know you have a lot of people who listen to your podcast.
The Baptist bias.
And so it's a great show and I just appreciate being invited on.
I'm not really sure if X is like freaking out or not, but it says that there's 11,000 views or
Viewers watching live. I don't know if that's true or not
Now I think that maybe it's just 11 11,000 people have come through
How many there's a little what is this on your band pastor? Yeah, you should check it out somewhere else
Let me check let me check and tell you that pretty we've had a little over 200 live viewers in
the
Rumble and the chat and we appreciate our chat. I'll read a few different comments in here
What region is brother a bannock in the Philippines he's actually just a little bit outside of Manila
Proper there's a little bit like south and east of Manila and
You know, I'm gonna butcher the names even if even if I tried to say yeah, don't even I'm not even gonna try
No, but if you email us steadfastbaptistkjv
at gmail.com.
I pissed off all the Filipinos
and I tried to name the city.
Yeah, email us steadfastbaptistkjv at gmail.com
and we could get you that info
if you really need that info.
Pali Jr. says those cruise missions trips.
Yeah, I mean, the getting is good
on those cruise missions trips.
I booked mine.
Unfortunately, it's gonna be after
the missions conference at Faithful Word.
So I don't think I can actually that's okay because you know our goal with that is for the year because we actually have some big
cruise mission strips that are happening in November and December ourselves
Okay, so it's about it's about what we can do in 2025 and so we're gonna yeah
We're gonna be preaching about the successes that we've already had at the missions conference
But we're also gonna be kind of pushing people like hey guys
Let's finish strong in November and December and so the goal is for the year and
We wanted to have a hundred people participate so far. We're at just I think like 48 or something
So but but a lot of people are doing it later in the year and then we've already had like 1175
Salvation or something like all together from all the cruise mission strips
So, you know by the end of the year, I'm hoping to see over a hundred participants
Even just with what's already booked like people in our church that have cruise mission strips booked
We should easily break 30 countries if you can imagine that
30 countries like we've we've never gone soul-winning in like more than probably five countries in a single year or something
Six maybe and we're doing like over 30 countries. I think God willing we could get up, you know
Close to 3,000 salvations just from the cruise missions alone over a hundred participants
You know, it's cool a bunch of people at Faith Forward Baptist have gone on these cruise mission strips
And they've never been on a mission trip before this is their first mission strip
So it's getting new people out there because the cost is so low
And it's just so easy and it's such a controlled environment that people they like it. They feel safe
You don't need a passport even to do it. It's just so easy and and so just last week, you know, my daughter and I
Took a family in our church out to the mission field
They'd never been on a mission trip and they loved it and
They got a bunch of people saved and and and had a blast. We all had a blast so
I'm not a lot of new people. I tried promoting the the show on X just to get an idea
It says 13.1 K views. I don't know if that's views or viewers because like on what that is is that on the below
It says 19,000 maybe impressions like impressions
Or something. Yeah, I think what it is is that it's 18,000 impressions and then 13,000 people that actually like
Click to play for any amount of time, you know, so so there's no way to know how many are currently live
Well, when I like when I live stream to X at Faith Ward Baptist Church
There's a little eyeball that shows you how many people are currently watching and it kind of fluctuates up and down
Because we have like 500 watching in the morning and 300 watching at night like concurrently
But I don't know that would be on your end because you're the streamer, but yeah
Either way, you know, people are seeing it at least well if 13,000 people were watching live
I said we just go a little bit longer, but I was just trying to figure out like what the eyeball count really?
Absolutely 13,000 we'll keep talking about Israel
I'll promote this thing even more. No, I mean I have I have noticed that ex-culture though
Like I just noticed like with spaces and stuff that like people
Really engage like really get in late at night for some reason like people are just like really into shows at night
And it kind of like funnels everybody so
It's it's hard for me to tell because it's like when I look on the right it shows like Alex has like
792,000 which it's like I don't think that many people are watching it right now
Now it's all together. Yeah
Maybe we should we need to do like a space at some point again
We could do like a space stream and like see how many people we can bring in because now that you have a little bit larger audience
It'd be interesting to see, you know, how many people we could bring into us. Yeah, cuz last time I did it
I think I only had like 7,000 followers now. I'm up to 22,000 so we might be able to get more action
a space in the future. If you want to see us do a space comment on the X
stream and talk about you know what you want us to talk about on the stream
probably Israel but if even if it's something else that you want us to
comment you know comment on this on that follow Pastor Anderson at Stephen
Al Anderson on X me band pastor his ears been the Baptist what is it or is it like
Yeah, the name has been the Baptist you could find me that way or put Baptist Ben 316
That's actually the name of the account at Baptist Ben 316 if you want to follow me
I would vote for a Q&A with you guys if you do a spaces together. I think that would be kind of cool a
live Q&A with both of you
Yeah, it just kind of depends because sometimes you get bozos coming in and just saying like the weird stupid questions
but thanks so much to our Rumble audience too.
Well, we'll call it a night and I really appreciate you pastor Anderson for giving us some time and for letting us
You know talk to you about Israel and hopefully you can keep making some of those low effort content that just explodes on the internet and
No, it's it's it's low effort technology, but not
Well, what it is is that like like Pastor Mahia does these really good polished
videos on the Wild Olive Tree channel.
He has just these beautiful, polished, wonderful videos.
And then Pastor Shelley refers to my content as low effort,
because it's usually just me just talking to my phone
or something, or just clipping sermons or whatever.
And his basement dungeon or whatever.
Yeah, I'm just not into...
Being super produced, but I love I mean, I love what Pastor Mahia is doing, but it's just it's just not who I am
Yeah, maybe pull up pull up the screen. I got his
X on here shout out to Pastor Mahia
wild olive tree or at all of tree 1569 got to give this guy a follow because
he
Has awesome content. My wife just said he's he's sharp as a pack
My wife said you should have just played risk for three hours and filmed it because it would have been less boring
so
Yeah, but your wife is not our target audience that I mean tell her to go back to watching cartoons. Well, here's the thing
If my wife likes the show it was really awesome
You know, if it's kind of like if she's not that into it, it's not necessarily a condemnation or anything
But women do not dig Bible prophecy. It's just it's just a thing like it's the same thing
I mean that one lady called in
Yeah, that's true, but I'm just saying in general my wife my daughters. They love the practical preaching
They love I bet your wife probably loves like the marriage sermons. Yeah, childhood sermons
Everything that's like practical every day kind of stuff
That's what my wife and daughters and women in general usually like and of course there are some women who love prophecy and Israel and all that
And that's great, but in general
It tends to be not their favorite subject, maybe because they're not really into like talking about World War three because they're women and, you know, it's just, it's kind of something that's not pleasant in that sense.
Yeah, they want to, you know, they want to feel more secure and stuff like that.
And, you know.
Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think it's anything. I don't think there's anything wrong with our content
But I also don't think there's anything wrong with your wife. I think she's just not our demographic
Yeah, I was just kidding about the cartons. She's got all that cereal in the pantry
So tell her just get a full of cereal and watch cartoons
She would love that, Bran Flakes.
She kind of likes to eat ice cream cereals, like one of her special dessert things.
She likes chocolate ice cream with Bran Flakes, which is kind of a unique combination, but...
Sounds good though. I've never had it, but yeah, she's she really likes that but she's a she's a great cook
So she comes up with all these unique things
But one day we'll have a show that Mrs. Shelley likes and we'll know that it was like super awesome like it
We had to been like super so I would never eat that. I'm super healthy eater
McDonald's. Well, hey, didn't she love the spiritual warfare episode of Baptist bias, right? Yeah, of course
She didn't have a choice. There you go. But she really liked that one
That was a fun show. Well, we're gonna wrap it up. Thanks so much for being on the show, you know
if your wife didn't like it, it's okay and
Ben, do you have any final words?
No, not really. I'll just say thank you for having me on. God bless you both, and I look forward to the next stream that we do right here on the Baptist Bias.
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