WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:28.160 Hey everybody, thanks for joining us for a special episode of the Baptist Bias. 00:28.160 --> 00:32.460 I'm your host, Pastor Shelley, and I'm actually going to be joined in studio, well, not in 00:32.460 --> 00:39.360 studio, but over the internet with one of my friends, Pastor Stephen Anderson, and we're 00:39.360 --> 00:42.720 going to be talking about Good Friday being debunked. 00:42.720 --> 00:46.320 Now, this is definitely a view that's prevalent out there today. 00:46.320 --> 00:52.580 Today is what many people will call Good Friday, and I've preached about this in times past, 00:52.580 --> 00:56.700 but I wanted to make a special live stream where I showed a lot of the information that 00:56.740 --> 01:00.980 I had taught in the past, and then additionally bring on one of my friends, Pastor Stephen 01:00.980 --> 01:02.740 Anderson, to talk about this. 01:02.740 --> 01:07.100 And we want to talk about the timing of the Passover, also talk about the date in which 01:07.100 --> 01:09.220 Christ was crucified. 01:09.220 --> 01:11.940 We'll be taking some call-ins later in the show. 01:11.940 --> 01:16.580 If you are able to call in, even just for a few minutes, we will take your questions. 01:16.580 --> 01:18.880 If you have questions, you can put them in the chat. 01:18.880 --> 01:20.940 But thanks so much for joining us for this episode. 01:20.940 --> 01:24.260 I'm going to welcome on my guest, Pastor Stephen Anderson. 01:24.260 --> 01:25.260 How's it going, Pastor Anderson? 01:25.820 --> 01:27.500 It's going great. 01:27.500 --> 01:28.900 Thanks for having me on. 01:28.900 --> 01:30.180 I really like your shirt. 01:30.180 --> 01:32.820 That's a good-looking shirt there. 01:32.820 --> 01:35.180 And I'm excited to cover this topic. 01:35.180 --> 01:41.620 Now, Good Friday is something that is celebrated pretty much all over the world. 01:41.620 --> 01:46.660 Is this something that you grew up believing, or what's your kind of view on Good Friday? 01:46.660 --> 01:48.980 No, absolutely not. 01:48.980 --> 01:53.100 This was never a thing amongst fundamental Baptists. 01:53.140 --> 01:57.500 I've never heard of any fundamental Baptists celebrating it growing up. 01:57.500 --> 01:59.260 I went to a lot of different churches growing up. 01:59.260 --> 02:01.900 Our family moved a few times and everything. 02:01.900 --> 02:08.620 But when I was growing up, most Baptists talked about Christ being crucified on Wednesday. 02:08.620 --> 02:14.300 And I know that my dad grew up in a church that had been influenced by Brother Hiles 02:14.300 --> 02:15.900 and that crowd. 02:15.900 --> 02:20.380 And Brother Hiles had a sermon called The Hoax of Good Friday. 02:20.780 --> 02:23.500 He always taught that it was a Wednesday. 02:23.500 --> 02:24.860 So that's what I grew up with. 02:24.860 --> 02:26.060 Well, it was interesting. 02:26.060 --> 02:29.420 I read a Wikipedia article about Good Friday. 02:29.420 --> 02:31.900 And I was researching this. 02:31.900 --> 02:35.420 I wonder if we can pull this up on our screen here in a minute whenever they're ready. 02:35.420 --> 02:38.300 But I was looking through this Good Friday article. 02:38.300 --> 02:39.580 And it pretty much is very clear. 02:39.580 --> 02:41.260 It's a Catholic belief. 02:41.260 --> 02:42.860 It's a Catholic idea. 02:42.860 --> 02:46.700 And I just did a control F on the Wikipedia article. 02:46.700 --> 02:49.180 And I looked for the word Baptist. 02:49.180 --> 02:51.820 And let's see if we I think we have it ready to pull up on the screen. 02:52.700 --> 02:56.140 It even says specifically that some Baptist congregations, 02:57.260 --> 03:00.380 the Philadelphia Church of God and some non-denominational churches 03:00.380 --> 03:06.300 oppose the observance of Good Friday regarding it as so-called papist tradition. 03:07.180 --> 03:11.500 And then it says instead observe the crucifixion of Jesus on Wednesday 03:11.500 --> 03:14.620 to coincide with the Jewish sacrifice of the Passover Lamb. 03:14.620 --> 03:18.780 So even this article is saying from a historical perspective that 03:19.660 --> 03:23.500 for the most part, Baptist or even a lot of evangelicals 03:23.500 --> 03:26.540 didn't necessarily subscribe to a Friday view. 03:26.540 --> 03:30.380 They believe that Jesus Christ was crucified on Wednesday. 03:31.260 --> 03:35.100 I think myself, I think growing up, I probably heard about Good Friday 03:35.100 --> 03:36.620 and I kind of thought maybe that was true. 03:37.180 --> 03:40.380 And then after maybe listening to a lot of different Baptist preaching, 03:40.380 --> 03:43.500 I think I ended up switching my view to Wednesday for a while. 03:44.060 --> 03:48.860 And what's interesting is I ended up wanting to prove the Wednesday crucifixion. 03:49.580 --> 03:53.820 And so I like was researching it because I wanted to disprove Good Friday. 03:53.820 --> 03:59.900 And my initial attempt, I kind of couldn't get all the verses to reconcile for Wednesday. 03:59.900 --> 04:04.620 And I kind of gave up and just said, well, I guess you can't even know. 04:04.620 --> 04:06.860 And it's not necessarily the most important doctrine. 04:06.860 --> 04:11.100 It's not necessarily something that's going to alter the course of your church. 04:11.180 --> 04:14.300 Obviously, we want to believe in the death, bone resurrection, 04:14.300 --> 04:16.700 but the exact timing wasn't necessarily that crucial. 04:16.700 --> 04:17.660 So I kind of gave up. 04:18.460 --> 04:22.380 But eventually in reading Mark and reading some other passages, 04:22.380 --> 04:25.500 I ended up changing my mind that I thought it was possible 04:25.500 --> 04:26.860 and I researched it again. 04:27.580 --> 04:30.220 And then I ended up switching to Thursday. 04:31.260 --> 04:33.020 Now, I think from your perspective, 04:33.020 --> 04:35.580 you also believed in Wednesday for a long time, is that right? 04:37.260 --> 04:37.900 Yeah, absolutely. 04:37.900 --> 04:40.540 I mean, for me, Friday was just never on the table 04:40.540 --> 04:43.260 because Matthew 1240 says, 04:43.260 --> 04:46.860 as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, 04:46.860 --> 04:50.380 so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 04:50.380 --> 04:56.700 And I noticed that even the Wikipedia article cited Matthew 1240 as evidence for Wednesday. 04:56.700 --> 04:59.260 And so Friday was never on the table. 04:59.260 --> 05:03.420 It was always a question of whether it's Wednesday or Thursday, right? 05:03.980 --> 05:06.620 So when I was growing up, I'd always heard Wednesday. 05:07.180 --> 05:11.820 I had a guy confront me and try to convince me to Friday. 05:11.820 --> 05:13.500 He was a fundamental Baptist 05:13.500 --> 05:16.860 because even though the churches I grew up in were all Wednesday, 05:17.740 --> 05:19.740 obviously there are individuals with different views. 05:19.740 --> 05:22.540 He came at me and tried to prove Friday to me. 05:23.180 --> 05:25.980 And so I did kind of a deep dive when I was a teenager 05:26.540 --> 05:29.740 just to debunk this guy who was like my friend's dad. 05:30.620 --> 05:35.660 And I ended up being convinced that it was Wednesday. 05:35.660 --> 05:38.620 When I started Faith Forward Baptist Church back in 2005, 05:39.900 --> 05:41.500 I even preached a few sermons. 05:42.380 --> 05:44.380 One of them I borrowed Brother Heil's title 05:44.380 --> 05:46.380 and called it the hoax of Good Friday, 05:46.380 --> 05:49.100 but it was a totally different sermon that I used his title. 05:49.820 --> 05:53.340 And I have always preached it as Wednesday 05:54.620 --> 05:57.980 because I really wanted the three days and three nights 05:57.980 --> 06:02.060 to be like three full days and full nights, like 72 hours. 06:02.940 --> 06:05.020 And so that was kind of my hangup. 06:05.020 --> 06:08.780 But like you, I kind of came to a point where 06:09.340 --> 06:11.020 I believed it was Wednesday, 06:11.020 --> 06:14.140 but I definitely saw some problems with the Wednesday view. 06:14.940 --> 06:18.460 And I kind of at some point just threw up my hands and said, 06:18.460 --> 06:21.820 well, some of this is just a little bit confusing, 06:21.820 --> 06:25.900 a little bit unknowable, but I still thought it was Wednesday. 06:25.900 --> 06:29.260 Then when you came out with the Thursday information, 06:29.900 --> 06:32.540 I remember you and I spent probably like 06:32.620 --> 06:34.940 total of eight or nine hours on the phone, 06:34.940 --> 06:36.940 like over the course of several days, 06:36.940 --> 06:38.700 kind of arguing back and forth. 06:38.700 --> 06:41.900 And I was kind of pushing for the Wednesday view 06:41.900 --> 06:43.420 and you were pushing for the Thursday view. 06:43.420 --> 06:45.500 We kind of argued for days. 06:45.500 --> 06:48.220 And then finally, you convinced me because 06:48.780 --> 06:51.580 the problems that I had with the Wednesday view, 06:51.580 --> 06:54.060 the Thursday view solved those problems. 06:54.060 --> 06:57.820 And I kind of just had to let go of the 72 hour thing 06:57.820 --> 07:00.940 and just realize that it's three days and three nights, 07:00.940 --> 07:03.500 but the first day is a partial, 07:04.380 --> 07:07.980 the final night's a partial, and it works out perfectly. 07:07.980 --> 07:09.580 So I'm totally convinced, 07:09.580 --> 07:12.620 I'm totally satisfied with Thursday at this point. 07:12.620 --> 07:15.500 Well, I think as long as you pretty much understand 07:15.500 --> 07:19.100 that Christ was crucified in the evening or at even, 07:19.740 --> 07:22.060 and that he rose again in the morning, 07:22.620 --> 07:25.820 then it could never be an exact 72 hours. 07:25.820 --> 07:29.420 You're going to have some variation, 07:29.420 --> 07:33.340 whether on the short side of 72 or on the long side of 72. 07:33.980 --> 07:37.100 But one thing that I thought was really difficult 07:37.100 --> 07:39.900 in this process of trying to understand these things 07:39.900 --> 07:42.380 was just the word Passover itself. 07:42.940 --> 07:45.100 And I want to bring several verses on the screen 07:45.100 --> 07:46.300 and kind of talk about this for a moment, 07:46.300 --> 07:49.420 but the word Passover can mean a few different things 07:49.420 --> 07:50.060 in scripture. 07:50.700 --> 07:55.980 One of those is it refers to the entire feast that celebrated. 07:56.140 --> 07:59.900 This makes sense just because we use the word Christmas 07:59.900 --> 08:01.340 in a similar way. 08:01.340 --> 08:03.260 People will talk about Christmas and they'll say 08:03.260 --> 08:04.940 it's Christmas time and they can be talking about 08:04.940 --> 08:06.140 the whole month of December, 08:06.140 --> 08:08.700 they could be talking about Christmas evening, Christmas day, 08:08.700 --> 08:10.380 they could be talking about Christmas day specifically. 08:10.380 --> 08:12.940 So Christmas itself is used a lot of times 08:12.940 --> 08:16.780 in many different ways to describe different time periods. 08:16.780 --> 08:20.060 And I believe Passover also is kind of this catch-all phrase 08:20.060 --> 08:23.020 or word that you see in scripture being described 08:23.020 --> 08:25.340 as many different things. 08:25.340 --> 08:29.660 Now, here in Luke, it gives us a verse, Luke 22, 08:29.660 --> 08:32.300 it says, now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, 08:33.100 --> 08:35.340 which is called the Passover. 08:35.340 --> 08:39.500 So the entire feast itself, all the events of it 08:39.500 --> 08:42.060 are just loosely referred to as the Passover 08:42.060 --> 08:43.180 in portions of scripture. 08:43.740 --> 08:47.260 And so some people get confused on the word Passover 08:47.260 --> 08:48.860 when they're trying to figure these things out, 08:48.860 --> 08:50.780 but we have to understand that Passover 08:50.780 --> 08:52.060 could mean a few different things. 08:52.700 --> 08:56.140 Additionally, in Exodus chapter number 12, 08:56.780 --> 08:58.700 whenever you read through that passage, 08:58.700 --> 09:00.620 and I'm not sure which verse we wanna go to, 09:00.620 --> 09:03.500 but you could bring this up on the screen if you can. 09:03.500 --> 09:04.940 In Exodus chapter number 12, 09:05.820 --> 09:08.700 when it talks about the days of this feast, 09:08.700 --> 09:12.060 it literally says the 14th day in verse number six, 09:12.060 --> 09:13.820 and you just keep it up until the 14th day. 09:13.820 --> 09:15.020 So this is when they were supposed to kill 09:15.580 --> 09:17.900 the Passover lamb, but then they were supposed to celebrate 09:18.540 --> 09:22.060 seven days of unleavened bread. 09:22.060 --> 09:24.540 And it even specifically counts them, 09:24.540 --> 09:27.820 and it tells us a little bit further down in this verse, 09:27.820 --> 09:29.500 if we just go down a little bit more, 09:29.500 --> 09:33.020 it'll tell you it's all the way into the 21st day. 09:33.660 --> 09:37.500 And the thing is, is if you count from 14 to 21, 09:38.060 --> 09:41.740 it's actually eight days, which, you know, 09:41.740 --> 09:43.900 if you think about simple math, obviously, 09:44.140 --> 09:48.700 if you just add, if you take 21 minus seven, that's 14, 09:48.700 --> 09:51.020 but what you have to realize is when you're talking about 09:51.020 --> 09:54.940 calendar days, if you go from the 14th all the way 09:54.940 --> 09:58.380 to the 21st, it's actually a total of eight days. 09:58.380 --> 10:00.140 And so I believe that the Bible's really clear 10:00.140 --> 10:02.620 that when it's talking about the feast of unleavened bread, 10:02.620 --> 10:07.660 the Passover is referring to all of these specific eight days. 10:07.660 --> 10:09.420 Now, let me see if we can find that verse 10:09.420 --> 10:11.740 that I wanna make sure I'm pointing it out here. 10:11.740 --> 10:13.580 Well, you know, while you're looking for that, 10:13.580 --> 10:15.900 I would just say that, you know, this is exactly 10:15.900 --> 10:18.860 what's going on in Acts chapter 12 verse four, 10:19.740 --> 10:23.980 where people get hung up on, well, how can the Passover 10:23.980 --> 10:25.740 be happening twice? 10:25.740 --> 10:28.860 And so they try to make like Easter and Passover 10:28.860 --> 10:32.060 be two different things, when in reality, Easter's 10:32.060 --> 10:35.660 just the archaic word for Passover, the Greek word 10:36.300 --> 10:40.380 that is translated as Easter in the KJV in Acts 12, 10:40.780 --> 10:44.460 four is just the normal word for Passover, 10:45.260 --> 10:47.820 but it's translated as Easter because of the fact 10:47.820 --> 10:50.940 that all the old Bible translations like the Tindale Bible, 10:50.940 --> 10:54.060 Matthew Bible, Great Bible, they use the word Easter 10:54.060 --> 10:55.900 like 15, 20 times in them. 10:55.900 --> 10:57.340 And then when you get to the Bishop's Bible 10:57.340 --> 10:58.940 and only uses the word Easter twice, 10:59.580 --> 11:02.620 King James uses it once, but it's referring 11:02.620 --> 11:09.900 to the entire week as Easter slash Passover in Acts 12, four. 11:10.780 --> 11:12.780 But a lot of people are hung up saying like, 11:12.780 --> 11:14.700 oh, the modern versions are wrong here, 11:14.700 --> 11:17.340 only the KJV is right when it says Easter 11:17.340 --> 11:21.100 because this different day, when really in Acts 12, four, 11:21.100 --> 11:24.060 both the modern versions and the KJV are both right 11:24.060 --> 11:27.660 because Easter and Passover are literally synonymous 11:27.660 --> 11:29.580 at that time in 16, 11. 11:29.580 --> 11:33.020 And so, yeah, and I was thinking of verse 18. 11:33.020 --> 11:36.060 So in verse 18, it says, in the first month, 11:36.060 --> 11:39.340 on the 14th day of the month that even you shall eat 11:39.340 --> 11:43.180 unleavened bread until the one and 20th day 11:43.180 --> 11:43.980 of the month that even. 11:43.980 --> 11:45.980 So that even says specifically on the 14th day 11:45.980 --> 11:47.740 they're supposed to eat unleavened bread too, 11:47.740 --> 11:51.180 which is significant when we talk about the Last Supper 11:51.180 --> 11:53.820 and specifically the event that the disciples had 11:53.820 --> 11:54.620 with Jesus Christ. 11:54.620 --> 11:59.500 Now, again, if you count the 14th as one, 15th as two, 11:59.500 --> 12:05.260 16th as three, 17th as four, 18th as five, 19th as six, 12:06.140 --> 12:09.580 20th is seven, and then you have the 21st, 12:09.580 --> 12:11.420 which would be eight days. 12:11.420 --> 12:14.540 So technically the whole feast is an eight day feast 12:14.540 --> 12:17.260 where the first day is the day of preparation 12:17.260 --> 12:20.140 and then you have seven days of unleavened bread 12:20.140 --> 12:22.860 and that is referred to as the Passover. 12:22.860 --> 12:25.100 Now I wanna go to the second option we have here 12:25.100 --> 12:25.740 for the Passover. 12:25.740 --> 12:27.260 We have another screen that I wanna show 12:28.140 --> 12:30.860 as far as another possible definition of the word Passover 12:30.860 --> 12:32.300 in Luke 22 verse seven. 12:32.300 --> 12:34.300 So it's just a little bit further in the same chapter 12:34.300 --> 12:36.780 that we talked about what Passover could mean. 12:36.780 --> 12:39.180 It has another definition in the same chapter. 12:39.180 --> 12:42.140 In Luke 22 verse seven, it says, 12:42.140 --> 12:44.460 then came the day of unleavened bread 12:44.460 --> 12:46.300 when the Passover must be killed. 12:46.300 --> 12:50.060 So the word Passover also refers to the sacrifice itself, 12:50.060 --> 12:52.060 the animal that's gonna be sacrificed, 12:52.060 --> 12:53.500 that lamb that's gonna be sacrificed 12:53.500 --> 12:55.740 is referred to as the Passover. 12:55.740 --> 13:01.420 And then I wanna go to one more in John chapter 18 verse 28, 13:01.420 --> 13:03.980 the Bible also gives another idea of the Passover. 13:04.060 --> 13:08.140 It says, then led they Jesus from Caiaphas 13:08.140 --> 13:10.220 under the hall of judgment and it was early 13:10.220 --> 13:13.020 and they themselves went not into the judgment hall 13:13.020 --> 13:14.700 lest they should be defiled 13:14.700 --> 13:17.740 but that they might eat the Passover. 13:17.740 --> 13:20.540 Now, again, you could say that's kind of the sacrifice 13:20.540 --> 13:24.140 but it's also alluding to the meal in which they would eat 13:24.140 --> 13:25.740 which is on the 15th day. 13:25.740 --> 13:27.660 So when we understand the word Passover, 13:27.660 --> 13:30.220 it could mean that entire event, 13:30.220 --> 13:33.500 that entire eight calendar section of time, 13:33.500 --> 13:36.700 it could refer to the time when they sacrificed the Passover 13:36.700 --> 13:39.260 and it could refer to the time in which they ate 13:39.260 --> 13:41.900 or eat that specific Passover. 13:41.900 --> 13:46.380 So sometimes when you'll see the word Passover in the gospels, 13:46.380 --> 13:49.100 it could be any one of those particular times 13:49.100 --> 13:52.060 and that helps us to actually reconcile 13:52.060 --> 13:54.540 and try to figure out the exact timing 13:54.540 --> 13:58.220 or try to figure out the chronology of these events. 13:58.220 --> 14:00.300 So I just wanted to lay that down quickly. 14:00.300 --> 14:02.300 Now, when it came to the Wednesday view, 14:03.660 --> 14:09.100 John chapter 12 was a verse that I just could not figure out 14:09.100 --> 14:11.980 and this is one where I pretty much just kind of gave up 14:11.980 --> 14:14.380 because I knew that Friday wasn't true 14:15.100 --> 14:19.420 and yet I was trying to figure out John chapter 12 verse 1 14:20.140 --> 14:24.220 because specifically, you know, we have Palm Sunday. 14:24.220 --> 14:25.500 And now here's the thing, 14:25.500 --> 14:28.380 I believe that Palm Sunday is accurate 14:28.380 --> 14:30.540 but at the time I was just putting everything on the table 14:30.540 --> 14:32.060 like let's just try to figure this out. 14:32.060 --> 14:33.820 But in John chapter 12 verse 1, 14:33.820 --> 14:37.100 the Bible gives us a verse that's giving us a timeline here 14:37.740 --> 14:41.660 and it says in John chapter 12 verse 1 that then Jesus, 14:41.660 --> 14:46.140 six days before the Passover came to Bethany 14:46.140 --> 14:48.140 where Lazarus was which had been dead 14:48.140 --> 14:50.140 whom he had raised from the dead. 14:50.700 --> 14:54.860 So we know that a specific day is six days away from the Passover. 14:54.860 --> 14:58.860 Now again, the Passover could refer to any of those three things prior to 14:58.860 --> 15:00.380 but if you had it on Wednesday, 15:01.180 --> 15:03.500 now when you start going backwards six days, 15:04.220 --> 15:07.340 that's going to cause a problem because of verse 12. 15:07.340 --> 15:11.660 In John chapter 12 verse 12, it says, 15:11.660 --> 15:15.260 on the next day, much people were come to the feast 15:15.820 --> 15:18.060 when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem. 15:18.780 --> 15:21.100 And then in verse number 13, it says, 15:23.100 --> 15:24.620 when they heard that Jesus was coming to the feast 15:24.620 --> 15:25.740 or coming to Jerusalem, 15:25.740 --> 15:28.300 they took branches of palm trees and went forth to meet him 15:28.300 --> 15:30.620 and cried, Hosanna, blessed is the king of Israel 15:30.620 --> 15:31.820 that cometh in the name of the Lord. 15:31.820 --> 15:37.180 So we understand that the next day after the six days 15:37.180 --> 15:40.380 would have been the triumphal entry of Jesus Christ 15:41.020 --> 15:44.620 which we celebrate today as Palm Sunday. 15:44.620 --> 15:47.900 And this would be a problem if we backed it up a day 15:47.900 --> 15:49.980 because then that would fall on a Sabbath day. 15:49.980 --> 15:51.740 And then it would be kind of strange that you have people 15:51.740 --> 15:54.380 like cutting off palm branches and doing all this work 15:54.460 --> 15:58.460 and kind of making a big deal about this triumphal entry 15:59.020 --> 16:01.020 when it would fall on a particular, 16:01.580 --> 16:03.100 potentially a Sabbath day. 16:03.740 --> 16:06.780 Now I have a chart and I want to kind of pull this up too 16:06.780 --> 16:08.300 that I've made and I will reference this 16:08.300 --> 16:11.020 throughout the live stream. 16:11.020 --> 16:13.340 Yeah, and while you pull that up, 16:13.340 --> 16:15.900 I'll just point out the fact that, you know, 16:15.900 --> 16:17.820 one of the reasons that we like Palm Sunday 16:17.820 --> 16:19.180 and we're going to see this on the chart 16:19.820 --> 16:23.980 is that it corresponds with the 10th day of the month 16:23.980 --> 16:26.220 which if we go back to the Old Testament, 16:26.220 --> 16:29.340 that's when the lamb would be selected, right? 16:29.340 --> 16:32.460 The lamb would be presented without spot, without blemish 16:33.180 --> 16:35.900 and it would be, you know, then observed for the next few days 16:35.900 --> 16:38.460 before they actually kill it for the Passover. 16:38.460 --> 16:42.140 So that 10th day of the month and Palm Sunday 16:42.140 --> 16:45.660 work out perfectly, you know, the lamb's being presented 16:46.380 --> 16:49.100 and that's what Palm Sunday is when Jesus Christ 16:49.100 --> 16:50.300 does the triumphal entry. 16:50.860 --> 16:51.420 Exactly. 16:51.420 --> 16:55.340 That John 12 passage is a problem for the Wednesday view. 16:55.340 --> 16:56.620 So see if we can pull this up. 16:57.340 --> 16:59.260 I have a chart that I had made a while back 16:59.900 --> 17:03.420 and, you know, there's a lot of things going on on the screen here 17:03.420 --> 17:06.940 but if you look at the 9th day of Nissan, 17:07.660 --> 17:11.420 which is Saturday, which would have been their Sabbath, 17:11.420 --> 17:14.060 I have that verse there in John 12 verse 1 17:14.060 --> 17:16.140 which is six days before the Passover. 17:16.700 --> 17:22.220 Now, if you count and you kind of just get to figure out 17:22.220 --> 17:26.700 what the days are, Sunday, that day there, that little sun, 17:26.700 --> 17:29.260 that would be one, Monday would be two, 17:29.260 --> 17:32.220 Tuesday would be Wednesday before, 17:32.220 --> 17:35.580 Thursday would be five and then here's the thing, 17:35.580 --> 17:39.500 Friday would be six but here's the thing, 17:39.500 --> 17:42.700 that is the day when they ate the Passover. 17:42.700 --> 17:46.300 So I believe when it's talking about here in John chapter 12 verse 1 17:47.100 --> 17:48.860 that it's six days before the Passover, 17:48.860 --> 17:51.660 it's not saying the first day of the feast, 17:51.660 --> 17:56.060 it's talking about when they would eat the Passover specifically 17:56.060 --> 17:58.140 and that reconciles. 17:58.140 --> 18:00.460 Whereas if I tried to go with Wednesday, 18:01.900 --> 18:03.340 now I'm really having to back it up 18:03.340 --> 18:05.740 because you could interpret this verse, 18:05.740 --> 18:07.820 you could interpret six days before the Passover 18:08.540 --> 18:12.380 as being the first day of the event 18:12.380 --> 18:15.100 and that's to kind of support the Friday view. 18:15.100 --> 18:17.980 But we'll see how the Friday view doesn't make sense from other verses 18:17.980 --> 18:20.460 but here's the thing, if we talk about the Wednesday view, 18:20.460 --> 18:23.180 it gets really difficult on a Wednesday view 18:23.180 --> 18:26.140 to have six days in any context 18:27.020 --> 18:29.740 before they potentially eat the Passover 18:29.740 --> 18:31.980 which would be the farthest timeline we have. 18:31.980 --> 18:33.260 But this still makes perfect sense 18:33.260 --> 18:36.300 and then of course you have the triumphal entry 18:36.300 --> 18:39.580 mentioned in all the gospels there on the 10th day 18:39.580 --> 18:43.260 which like you said reconciles with Exodus chapter 12 verse 3 18:43.260 --> 18:45.820 which tells them that they have to on the 10th day 18:45.820 --> 18:47.500 choose a lamb or select a lamb 18:47.500 --> 18:50.780 and it's like the children of Israel are selecting Jesus Christ 18:50.780 --> 18:53.980 as he's coming in that triumphant entry in Jerusalem 18:53.980 --> 18:56.540 and he's fulfilling that particular portion of scripture, 18:56.540 --> 18:58.860 that prophetic picture of him. 18:58.860 --> 19:03.900 Now I want to also go to another verse here that's on this chart, 19:03.900 --> 19:07.020 it's after two days was the feast of the Passover 19:07.580 --> 19:10.380 and I want to look at Mark chapter 14. 19:10.380 --> 19:14.700 This is also another pivotal section of scripture 19:14.700 --> 19:19.580 when we talk about understanding the timeline of these events. 19:19.580 --> 19:21.420 Now Mark chapter 14 verse 1 says this, 19:21.420 --> 19:27.020 after two days was the feast of the Passover and of unleavened bread 19:27.020 --> 19:31.180 and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft 19:31.180 --> 19:32.140 and put him to death. 19:32.140 --> 19:35.020 Now again it's being pretty clear here, 19:35.020 --> 19:37.500 the feast again is when they would eat. 19:37.500 --> 19:39.980 So if we go back to my chart that I had there, 19:40.780 --> 19:45.180 you can see that there's after two days was the feast of unleavened bread. 19:45.180 --> 19:48.140 Well that would have been on Tuesday 19:48.700 --> 19:52.220 which we would have had Wednesday and Thursday 19:52.220 --> 19:55.180 which would be one day, two days and then again on Friday 19:55.180 --> 19:57.020 is when you would eat that particular feast. 19:57.020 --> 20:03.500 Now the reason why that's important is because Mark is really clear on its timeline. 20:03.500 --> 20:05.020 I want to go to the spreadsheet that I have 20:05.660 --> 20:08.700 because you would say well why you just randomly put that on Tuesday. 20:08.700 --> 20:10.780 Well I didn't just randomly put that on Tuesday 20:10.780 --> 20:14.380 because if you look at this kind of spreadsheet, 20:14.380 --> 20:15.900 I mean and we'll probably try to share these. 20:15.900 --> 20:17.980 I'll share these links with you later. 20:17.980 --> 20:19.740 I'll put them in the description after the stream 20:19.740 --> 20:21.500 and you can kind of walk it through. 20:21.500 --> 20:28.380 But you have Mark 11 verse 1 here coinciding with the triumphant entry 20:28.380 --> 20:30.380 and then you have a verse in Mark 11, 12. 20:30.380 --> 20:33.020 If you scroll down a little bit, it's highlighted in blue 20:34.220 --> 20:37.820 and in Mark 11, 12, I'm sorry, Mark 11 verse 12, it says 20:37.820 --> 20:42.860 and on the morrow when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry. 20:42.860 --> 20:48.380 So you have like Sunday being established in verse 1 in chapter 11. 20:48.380 --> 20:49.580 Then you have another day. 20:49.580 --> 20:50.780 Well that would be Monday. 20:51.420 --> 20:54.540 Then you have Mark 11, 20 which says 20:54.540 --> 20:58.780 and in the morning as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 20:58.780 --> 21:02.700 Well now we've passed into another day which would be Tuesday 21:03.260 --> 21:08.220 and then of course in Mark chapter, if you kind of read through chapters 11 21:08.220 --> 21:15.100 all the way to chapter 14, we haven't switched days from reading the book of Mark 21:15.100 --> 21:19.660 and then it says in Mark 14 verse 1, after two days was the feast of the Passover. 21:19.660 --> 21:25.900 So the earliest that particular verse could be is Tuesday 21:25.900 --> 21:29.180 because we have Sunday, then we have a morning, then we have another day. 21:29.180 --> 21:30.860 So the earliest that could be is Tuesday. 21:30.860 --> 21:32.300 You can't back it up anymore. 21:32.300 --> 21:35.020 Well that's going to present a problem for a Wednesday view 21:35.020 --> 21:40.380 because again, how do you get two days till that particular point 21:40.380 --> 21:44.540 if he was crucified on Wednesday, you really can't very easily. 21:46.380 --> 21:47.900 Because that's when they're supposed to eat that feast. 21:47.900 --> 21:51.980 So that's another verse that kind of was confusing to me. 21:51.980 --> 21:55.820 When I had the Wednesday view, I'm thinking like I can't really seem to make 21:56.380 --> 21:59.260 this John verse fit and I can't seem to really make 21:59.980 --> 22:02.620 this Mark verse fit as well. 22:03.580 --> 22:07.820 There's another one that I want to go to that was on the chart that's in Luke 22:08.780 --> 22:10.860 and this one was specific. 22:10.860 --> 22:12.940 See if you can pull up the chart, not the Excel spreadsheet. 22:13.580 --> 22:19.900 The chart that I have, yeah, this diagram, if you look at the end of the chart on the right, 22:20.540 --> 22:25.900 there on Sunday, it says today is the third day since in Luke 24. 22:25.900 --> 22:26.940 Now I have that verse. 22:27.500 --> 22:31.020 Let's see if we can pull up that verse on the screen as well. 22:31.020 --> 22:36.780 But this is a verse that I think also is just super clear on our particular timeline. 22:37.500 --> 22:39.820 Now in Luke chapter 24, this is the walk to Emmaus. 22:39.820 --> 22:43.180 This is when two men are walking and they are encounter with Jesus Christ 22:43.820 --> 22:51.180 and they are kind of explaining to Jesus what's going on because he's kind of asking them about 22:51.180 --> 22:55.420 why they're so sad or why they're kind of glum. 22:55.420 --> 23:00.780 And it says here, this is the two men talking to Jesus as one of the guys talking to him. 23:00.780 --> 23:04.460 He says, and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him, talking about Jesus, 23:05.020 --> 23:07.580 to be condemned to death and have crucified him. 23:07.580 --> 23:13.020 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel. 23:13.020 --> 23:17.660 And beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done. 23:17.660 --> 23:25.180 So these two verses tell us that number one, it's bringing up the event of him being crucified. 23:25.180 --> 23:27.260 And it's saying today is the third day since. 23:27.260 --> 23:32.140 Well, we know that that was still the first day of the week from the context of the passage. 23:32.140 --> 23:33.580 So we're in the first day of the week. 23:33.580 --> 23:37.420 If that's the third day since, then we'd have to understand that Sunday is the third day since. 23:38.060 --> 23:42.220 And then that would make Saturday the second day since. 23:42.220 --> 23:45.420 And then that would make Friday the first day since. 23:46.300 --> 23:46.860 What? 23:46.860 --> 23:53.660 Since he was crucified, which would then perfectly again align with a crucifixion on Thursday. 23:53.820 --> 23:55.500 I think that that verse is actually really important. 23:55.500 --> 24:01.260 And that word since there is a pretty crucial word because it really clarifies. 24:01.260 --> 24:03.020 Because sometimes you could kind of shift days. 24:03.020 --> 24:04.860 You could say two days, are we counting today? 24:05.500 --> 24:06.700 Are we not counting today? 24:06.700 --> 24:08.380 Are we counting the next day? 24:08.380 --> 24:12.460 Sometimes it can be ambiguous how you would calculate days. 24:12.460 --> 24:15.900 And so there is a little bit of possibility you can shift some of these things. 24:15.900 --> 24:21.100 But Luke 24 starts to kind of bring it in the view of being a very clear, specific timeline. 24:21.100 --> 24:23.660 Where now it's the third day since what? 24:23.660 --> 24:26.700 Since he was crucified, well, that would put it on Thursday. 24:26.700 --> 24:30.460 And then when you plot Thursday with these other verses, 24:30.460 --> 24:33.420 they kind of all fit together in a cohesive narrative. 24:33.980 --> 24:36.140 And it kind of makes perfect sense. 24:36.780 --> 24:42.220 Now to address, I think one of the verses that we brought up earlier, Matthew 12 verse 40, 24:42.780 --> 24:45.500 for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the well's belly, 24:45.500 --> 24:48.300 so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 24:49.020 --> 24:53.580 I want to go back to my chart and show how that's true with a Thursday view. 24:55.100 --> 24:55.820 If you look at it. 24:55.820 --> 25:00.300 And while you're going there, let me just remind the viewer at home why Friday 25:01.180 --> 25:04.780 is so ridiculous in light of three days and three nights. 25:04.780 --> 25:12.300 To hold the Friday view, you kind of just have to ignore or discard Matthew 12 40, 25:12.300 --> 25:14.460 which Baptists just aren't willing to do. 25:14.460 --> 25:16.860 You know, we believe every verse of the Bible. 25:16.860 --> 25:19.740 We're not willing to just ignore any piece of evidence. 25:19.740 --> 25:23.900 And this is why it's very rare for Baptists believe in a Friday view. 25:24.460 --> 25:26.380 Because it's just so impossible. 25:26.380 --> 25:31.180 Because if Christ died on Friday, you have Friday night and Saturday night, 25:31.820 --> 25:35.100 but there is no way to get that third night. 25:35.660 --> 25:38.460 It certainly can't be Sunday night. 25:38.460 --> 25:39.500 It can't be Thursday night. 25:39.500 --> 25:40.380 So what is it? 25:40.380 --> 25:43.100 I mean, it's just there is no third night. 25:43.100 --> 25:47.260 No matter how you cook the books, it's just not going to work. 25:47.900 --> 25:52.540 And so this is why I've never even entertained a Friday view. 25:52.540 --> 25:53.340 It's really just. 25:54.620 --> 25:56.300 Yeah, it's really just two days and two nights. 25:57.260 --> 26:01.260 If Friday was true because you have the Friday day partial, 26:01.260 --> 26:04.620 you have the Friday night, then you have Saturday day, 26:04.620 --> 26:08.460 then you have Saturday night, but then he rose before the day, 26:08.460 --> 26:10.220 before the dawn on Sunday. 26:10.220 --> 26:12.460 So you really just have two days and two nights. 26:12.460 --> 26:14.540 You really just have two days and two nights. 26:14.540 --> 26:15.500 You're absolutely right. 26:15.500 --> 26:20.060 But what I'm saying is someone could try to finagle and wiggle 26:20.060 --> 26:23.420 and try to somehow count Sunday morning, even though I agree with you. 26:23.420 --> 26:25.100 There's no way to count Sunday morning. 26:25.100 --> 26:28.460 But even if you wanted to try to finagle that, 26:28.460 --> 26:30.780 you can't even come close to the third night. 26:30.780 --> 26:32.140 It's just not there. 26:32.140 --> 26:36.300 And so that's why that view should be rejected out of hand. 26:36.300 --> 26:40.380 And it doesn't matter whether it's believed in by pagan idolaters 26:40.380 --> 26:42.620 called Roman Catholics all over the world. 26:42.620 --> 26:46.300 Yeah, they have the huge numbers and they have the loudest voice 26:46.300 --> 26:50.780 because they have their big institution, the Roman Catholic Church, 26:50.780 --> 26:54.300 and they have all their scholars and people promoting this stuff. 26:54.300 --> 26:56.300 But it just isn't happening. 26:57.420 --> 27:02.300 And so Matthew 12 40 is just a complete deal breaker for Friday. 27:03.260 --> 27:06.300 It does leave room for Wednesday or Thursday. 27:06.300 --> 27:07.820 And that's what you're about to show. 27:08.380 --> 27:13.500 Yeah. And again, I want to show we bring up that chart if you can again, 27:13.500 --> 27:14.780 because I want to show this on the screen. 27:14.780 --> 27:20.380 But it's very clear that Jesus Christ died at the ninth hour. 27:20.380 --> 27:22.140 That's what the text says. 27:22.140 --> 27:26.220 And if we kind of understand what the ninth hour means, that means 3 p.m. 27:26.220 --> 27:30.620 Because they're counting it from essentially sun dawning or coming up. 27:30.620 --> 27:33.820 And that would be approximately 6 a.m. 27:33.820 --> 27:35.740 Obviously, it's going to be very a little bit. 27:35.740 --> 27:39.020 But we're just using even easy numbers. 27:39.020 --> 27:41.260 If you assume that the sun rose at 6 a.m., 27:41.260 --> 27:44.780 they were talking about 3 p.m. for that particular day. 27:44.780 --> 27:46.460 That's when Jesus Christ died. 27:46.460 --> 27:51.260 Well, that's going to put him in the grave or being dead technically 27:51.260 --> 27:54.300 for three hours of Thursday. 27:54.300 --> 27:56.700 So you would have Thursday as one day. 27:56.700 --> 27:58.300 You would have that as a day. 27:58.300 --> 28:00.140 Then you would have Thursday night. 28:00.140 --> 28:03.100 So you have Thursday day, you have Thursday night. 28:03.100 --> 28:04.540 Then you have Friday day. 28:04.540 --> 28:05.820 Then you have Friday night. 28:05.820 --> 28:08.380 Then you have Saturday day and you have Saturday night. 28:08.380 --> 28:12.700 And he rose before the sun came up on Sunday. 28:12.700 --> 28:16.140 So you literally have three days and three nights. 28:16.140 --> 28:18.940 Now, this is exactly how we speak and communicate today 28:18.940 --> 28:23.500 because if I were traveling anywhere and I get on a plane right now, 28:23.500 --> 28:28.380 if I got on a plane right now and I flew to Arizona to see Pastor Anderson 28:28.380 --> 28:31.180 and I arrived sometime in the afternoon, let's say four o'clock, 28:31.740 --> 28:36.540 and I stay the night and then I get up in the morning, fly back home at noon, 28:36.540 --> 28:39.180 and someone says, well, how long were you in Phoenix? 28:39.180 --> 28:41.180 I would say, well, two days and one night 28:41.180 --> 28:44.620 because I was there for that first part of the day, 28:44.620 --> 28:46.060 then the evening and the next day. 28:47.180 --> 28:53.420 I wouldn't be trying to say that it had to be exactly 48 hours 28:54.860 --> 28:55.820 or something like that. 28:55.820 --> 28:59.500 I'm just trying to communicate that I was there on today, Friday, 29:00.460 --> 29:02.460 night and Saturday day. 29:02.460 --> 29:03.900 That's what I was communicating. 29:03.900 --> 29:07.100 And hotels, this is exactly how they communicate. 29:07.100 --> 29:09.500 They want to know how many days and nights you are, 29:09.500 --> 29:11.740 the time you arrive, the time that you leave. 29:11.740 --> 29:15.260 And of course, if you spent three hours in hell, 29:16.540 --> 29:19.980 you're going to count that as part of being in hell for that day. 29:21.180 --> 29:25.020 Let me explain it in another way that I think might help people at home too. 29:25.660 --> 29:27.900 If I said I work five days a week, 29:30.300 --> 29:33.740 work is taking place on Monday, it's taking place on Tuesday, 29:33.740 --> 29:35.020 it's taking place on Wednesday. 29:35.020 --> 29:36.780 Not necessarily the whole day. 29:36.780 --> 29:40.540 It doesn't necessarily say what time I'm working those shifts. 29:40.540 --> 29:44.860 I could work a three-hour shift, an eight-hour shift, a 12-hour shift. 29:44.860 --> 29:48.540 But the point is three days is three calendar days. 29:48.540 --> 29:51.420 And again, this goes into the understanding of the day of the Lord. 29:52.220 --> 29:56.700 I don't think of the day of the Lord as a 24-hour period 29:56.700 --> 29:59.820 as much as I would think of the day of the Lord as a day on the calendar. 30:00.460 --> 30:03.980 It's a certain day that these things happen on that particular day. 30:03.980 --> 30:08.300 And so three days and three nights, it's just this simple. 30:08.300 --> 30:11.660 Thursday, Thursday night, Friday, Friday night, Saturday, Saturday night. 30:11.660 --> 30:13.020 That's three days and three nights. 30:13.020 --> 30:14.300 It doesn't have to be the whole day. 30:15.020 --> 30:15.500 Exactly. 30:15.500 --> 30:17.820 Because like you said, that's not really how we talk. 30:18.780 --> 30:25.020 And anybody that just understands that Christ died at the ninth hour 30:25.020 --> 30:29.420 would realize that it's never going to reconcile to a perfect 12-hour day 30:29.420 --> 30:32.220 for that specific day because that day was a partial day. 30:32.780 --> 30:37.660 Just to play the devil's advocate, let me give you what the Wednesday response would be. 30:37.660 --> 30:39.660 Because I believed this for years. 30:39.660 --> 30:42.300 I defended the Wednesday position for many years. 30:42.940 --> 30:45.740 And so I understand the thinking behind Wednesday. 30:46.380 --> 30:48.940 And if anybody at home believes Wednesday, 30:50.220 --> 30:53.500 that's okay because at least you're not denying Matthew 12-40. 30:54.220 --> 30:58.060 When I believed Wednesday, the way that I reconciled it was 30:58.620 --> 31:01.500 I would just say, well, Jesus didn't actually die right at 3 p.m. 31:02.300 --> 31:04.300 That's the last timestamp we have. 31:04.860 --> 31:08.380 But my thought was that he actually died at like 6 p.m. 31:09.980 --> 31:12.620 And then that starts the 72 hours. 31:12.620 --> 31:16.540 And then you have basically Christ rising from the grave 31:17.340 --> 31:19.020 during the night of Saturday night. 31:19.020 --> 31:24.620 So basically, he comes to life at 6 p.m. on Saturday night, 31:24.620 --> 31:27.500 which is technically the first day of the week 31:27.500 --> 31:29.900 because the evening and the morning were the first day. 31:30.460 --> 31:33.100 So then that's your 72 hours. 31:33.100 --> 31:38.780 And then you have Christ rising from the dead in the night coming out of the tomb. 31:38.780 --> 31:41.180 And look, I don't agree with it. 31:41.180 --> 31:41.900 I don't believe in it. 31:41.900 --> 31:43.340 That's what I used to believe. 31:43.340 --> 31:45.020 That's how you'd make it work. 31:45.100 --> 31:49.660 That's how you get the 72 hours exactly of death 31:49.660 --> 31:55.420 is just dying on the cross at 6 p.m., being buried. 31:56.300 --> 31:58.620 And look, of course, there are problems with it. 31:58.620 --> 32:01.740 But I'm just saying that's where the Wednesday crowd is coming from. 32:02.300 --> 32:06.780 Yeah, and I can understand if that was true, if he died at 6 p.m. 32:07.340 --> 32:12.540 and then he rose at 6 a.m., you could have your 72 hours potentially. 32:12.540 --> 32:17.740 The problem with that view is that we understand that they had to bury Jesus Christ's body 32:17.740 --> 32:22.220 and they were trying to hastily so that they would do it before the evening had switched 32:22.220 --> 32:25.420 because they were going to go into the 15th day, which was a Sabbath day, 32:25.420 --> 32:27.100 and they couldn't do that work. 32:27.100 --> 32:31.100 And additionally, we understand that the women going to see Jesus Christ 32:31.100 --> 32:35.580 were already coming before the sun had even came to dawn and he'd already risen. 32:35.580 --> 32:40.220 So it kind of doesn't really gel with the context 32:40.220 --> 32:44.220 and a lot of the other things that are happening during those periods of time. 32:45.180 --> 32:49.020 It also seems pretty clear to me when you read the passage about 32:49.020 --> 32:51.980 the ninth hour that that's the moment that he died. 32:51.980 --> 32:56.140 So if, you know, again, if you understand that as to when he died, 32:56.140 --> 32:59.260 then you couldn't have that perfect 6 p.m. 32:59.260 --> 33:03.260 Well, that is when he died because like you said, 33:03.260 --> 33:09.180 they need time to stab him with a spear, make sure he's dead, 33:09.260 --> 33:13.580 water and blood come out, they need time to take him down from the cross, 33:13.580 --> 33:17.580 they need time to take his body to the tomb, get it in the tomb, 33:17.580 --> 33:21.500 and that all technically should be happening before 6 p.m. 33:21.500 --> 33:25.820 And so that's why the 3 p.m. time of death works. 33:25.820 --> 33:30.220 Okay, but, you know, I'm just saying for the Wednesday view, 33:31.340 --> 33:35.660 the reason that I liked the idea of him dying at 6 p.m. 33:35.660 --> 33:38.380 is because then like the Passover is being killed at even. 33:39.580 --> 33:42.380 So I kind of liked that aspect of it. 33:42.380 --> 33:45.820 And then if he comes back to life at 6 p.m. 33:46.780 --> 33:52.380 as, you know, on Saturday night becoming, you know, the first day of the week, 33:52.380 --> 33:55.820 then he rises from the grave during the night and then they get there early 33:55.820 --> 33:57.420 and he's already gone and whatever. 33:57.420 --> 34:01.660 But again, you know, there are problems with it because number one, 34:01.660 --> 34:06.140 you need all the time for that stuff to happen between 3 p.m. and 6 p.m. 34:06.140 --> 34:07.660 as you as you mentioned. 34:07.660 --> 34:14.140 And also there's just something just seems off about Christ like rising from the dead 34:15.420 --> 34:18.140 way before Sunday morning like like, you know what I mean? 34:18.140 --> 34:21.100 Like like rising that early in the night. 34:21.100 --> 34:23.340 Something doesn't feel right about that either. 34:23.340 --> 34:27.900 So those are some some of the things that that I never really liked about the Wednesday view. 34:28.540 --> 34:29.500 Some of the difficulties. 34:29.500 --> 34:34.700 Right. Well, and again, if you kind of think about the sacrifice itself, 34:34.700 --> 34:37.340 because, you know, obviously Christ is the ultimate Passover, 34:37.340 --> 34:40.860 but they've been performing Passover for centuries here 34:40.860 --> 34:44.460 and they need time to slaughter the animal, drain the blood, 34:44.460 --> 34:48.060 roast it with fire and get it all set up so that they can eat it 34:48.060 --> 34:51.740 because they have to have all that work done before the Sabbath, 34:51.740 --> 34:53.420 before the sun goes down. 34:53.420 --> 34:58.060 So that's like a really important aspect of the fact is the Bible is like super clear. 34:58.860 --> 35:00.620 I believe in Leviticus 23. 35:01.340 --> 35:07.420 I want to say it's either Leviticus 23 or Exodus 12 that there's no work to be done whatsoever 35:07.420 --> 35:09.420 on that 15th day except for eating. 35:09.420 --> 35:12.060 Like that's the only thing they're allowed to do is to eat. 35:12.060 --> 35:13.340 So they have to do it in haste. 35:13.340 --> 35:14.300 They have to do it quickly. 35:14.300 --> 35:16.940 And again, even the first Passover is supposed to be done in haste 35:16.940 --> 35:20.220 because they have to spread the blood of the lamb on the doorposts. 35:20.220 --> 35:23.260 And it's it's kind of something that they need to do very quickly. 35:23.260 --> 35:25.980 There's a sense of urgency about it. 35:25.980 --> 35:30.380 And so you see that sense of urgency carrying forward into the New Testament with Jesus Christ. 35:30.460 --> 35:36.060 How they need to get this body in the tomb and then buried before the Sabbath. 35:36.060 --> 35:40.300 And I think, you know, God probably has a lot of reasons why this is true. 35:40.300 --> 35:43.900 One reason is probably also true is they wanted to get his body wound up 35:43.900 --> 35:46.140 and bound very quickly so that it saw no corruption. 35:46.140 --> 35:50.220 Because the Bible says very clearly that Jesus Christ's body saw no corruption. 35:50.220 --> 35:50.780 Well, here's the thing. 35:50.780 --> 35:53.820 If Jesus Christ's body is dead and it's hanging on this cross 35:54.620 --> 35:59.020 for the whole Sabbath time period, like the Jews are not allowed to touch his body for that 35:59.020 --> 36:05.100 whole time, the chances of it seeing corruption are really high just from animals and buzzards 36:05.100 --> 36:07.100 and just like all kinds of other things. 36:07.100 --> 36:11.820 So it's like really, really important that his body gets bound up and put in the tomb 36:11.820 --> 36:17.100 so that it can see no corruption apart from obviously the stabbing and the nails from the 36:17.100 --> 36:19.740 cross and everything that he experienced there. 36:19.740 --> 36:23.180 And so there's a lot of events there that need to take place. 36:24.140 --> 36:26.140 I believe I don't have this. 36:26.140 --> 36:27.260 See if we can go to the Bible. 36:27.260 --> 36:33.340 I want to see pull up a verse when it's Joseph of Arimathea craving the body of Jesus 36:33.340 --> 36:38.860 because it actually makes it kind of clear from a timeline perspective here what we're talking about. 36:39.580 --> 36:44.620 Well, and another thing is they don't want to leave him hanging on the cross throughout 36:44.620 --> 36:52.380 the Sabbath because of the fact that you remember the verse in Deuteronomy about if they, you know, 36:52.380 --> 36:54.860 cursed is he that hangeth from a tree. 36:55.500 --> 37:01.100 And so when they hang someone from a tree, they're supposed to remove the body before 37:01.100 --> 37:02.300 sundown as well. 37:03.260 --> 37:07.180 And so they have to do that before the Sabbath because that's, you know, they're not supposed 37:07.180 --> 37:09.100 to be doing that kind of work on the Sabbath, right? 37:10.060 --> 37:10.300 Yeah. 37:11.020 --> 37:13.980 There's a verse I want to go to in Mark chapter 15. 37:13.980 --> 37:17.100 It's verses 42 and 43. 37:17.100 --> 37:19.100 We're just going to pull up like Bible Gateway or something. 37:19.100 --> 37:20.460 See if we can pull that up on the screen. 37:20.460 --> 37:28.620 Mark chapter 15 verses 42 and 43 because we're talking about the death of Jesus Christ. 37:28.620 --> 37:31.180 The Bible gives a couple pretty clear verses. 37:34.860 --> 37:35.820 I'm just going to start reading. 37:35.820 --> 37:37.100 Maybe we can pull it up here in a second. 37:37.100 --> 37:38.780 Mark chapter 15 verse 42. 37:38.780 --> 37:45.500 And now when the even was come because it was the preparation, that is the day before 37:45.660 --> 37:50.940 the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, an honorable counselor, which also waited for the kingdom 37:50.940 --> 37:54.940 of God came and went boldly on the pilot and craved the body of Jesus. 37:54.940 --> 37:59.900 So it's saying in verse 42 that it was the day of preparation. 37:59.900 --> 38:03.980 It's the day before the Sabbath so that they haven't switched days yet, meaning that we 38:03.980 --> 38:07.900 haven't actually crossed over that 6 p.m. threshold. 38:07.900 --> 38:12.380 And it says in verse 45, and when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body. 38:12.380 --> 38:13.500 I'm sorry, verse 44. 38:13.500 --> 38:18.140 And pilot marveled if he were already dead and calling unto him the centurion, he asked 38:18.140 --> 38:21.100 him whether he had been any while dead. 38:21.100 --> 38:24.380 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. 38:24.380 --> 38:32.220 So in Mark chapter 15, it's clear that well, like at least a some period of time before 38:32.220 --> 38:37.180 the day had switched, before we crossed over that Joseph of Arimathea was already asking 38:37.180 --> 38:38.940 for the dead body of Jesus Christ. 38:38.940 --> 38:43.180 And it's been certified by the centurions and pilot acknowledges it and gives him the 38:43.180 --> 38:43.900 body. 38:43.900 --> 38:47.180 So and he was kind of surprised at how quickly it had happened. 38:47.180 --> 38:52.860 So in the other, I believe the other two thieves actually had to have their legs break to die 38:52.860 --> 38:54.380 because they hadn't died yet. 38:54.380 --> 39:00.620 And so or they were pierced with the spear to, you know, I don't know exactly. 39:00.620 --> 39:04.540 So they had their legs broken, which was the standard practice. 39:05.180 --> 39:11.180 But when the Roman soldier sees that Jesus is already dead, 39:11.340 --> 39:13.340 he doesn't break his legs. 39:13.340 --> 39:19.660 And so he does something that's like unusual or out of the ordinary by stabbing him. 39:19.660 --> 39:21.900 And of course, this fulfills the scripture. 39:21.900 --> 39:27.340 They shall look on, you know, me whom they have pierced and the blood and water running 39:27.340 --> 39:29.980 out has significance and so forth. 39:29.980 --> 39:30.540 Yes. 39:30.540 --> 39:35.660 And and that there was no bone of him broken, which you would think there was no bone broken 39:36.140 --> 39:38.700 that that would be kind of contradictory because it was crucified. 39:38.860 --> 39:43.340 You think like, oh, they're going to break his bones, but then they ended up not. 39:44.140 --> 39:47.020 So there's a lot of prophecy there. 39:47.020 --> 39:48.780 But again, that makes sense. 39:48.780 --> 39:52.300 If you look at my chart, see, you can probably pull that up again pretty quickly. 39:52.300 --> 39:57.900 Down on the bottom right, I actually have kind of a blown up version of Thursday. 39:57.900 --> 40:01.660 So you can kind of see like a little general timeline of what happened. 40:01.660 --> 40:05.020 But at 6am, they said, behold your king. 40:05.020 --> 40:08.940 Now, that's kind of significant because they're supposed to like present the lamb 40:08.940 --> 40:11.820 and they're like presenting lamb on that specific day. 40:11.820 --> 40:14.220 So this is like that picture of them presenting the lamb. 40:14.220 --> 40:18.300 Then they crucified him at 9am, which I have the verse there. 40:18.300 --> 40:22.300 Then at noon, there was darkness over the whole land. 40:22.940 --> 40:27.260 And then essentially at three is which the Bible says is the night hour. 40:28.460 --> 40:30.940 That's when Jesus Christ gave up the ghost. 40:30.940 --> 40:32.940 Now, again, I put on the chart three to four p.m. 40:32.940 --> 40:37.180 Because I don't know if it necessarily happened at three zero zero p.m. 40:37.180 --> 40:39.500 Or if it happened at three fifteen or three thirty or whatever. 40:39.500 --> 40:41.260 Just just in the ninth hour. 40:42.060 --> 40:48.700 And then that basically gives them two plus hours to take him off the for him to be stabbed, 40:48.700 --> 40:52.700 taken off the cross for him to be wound up and then taken to the sepulcher. 40:52.700 --> 40:55.100 And they make it really clear that the sepulcher was very close. 40:55.660 --> 40:59.900 So they had an opportunity like they didn't have to travel a very great distance to take his body there. 41:00.860 --> 41:05.180 So while you have this chart pulled up to if you could put the chart back on the screen, 41:05.180 --> 41:09.020 I want to say that back when I held to the Wednesday view, 41:09.020 --> 41:15.020 because I had done my own deep dive on this, obviously it was the teaching that I had grown up with. 41:15.020 --> 41:20.460 But I'd also gone to the scripture and done the deep dive myself and I still came up with Wednesday. 41:20.460 --> 41:23.500 And I'll tell you the reason that I was wrong. 41:23.500 --> 41:29.660 The mistake that I made was I still had essentially a lot of the same things on the timeline as you 41:29.740 --> 41:37.180 have here as far as like the 10th day being Palm Sunday and the 17th day being the following Sunday 41:37.180 --> 41:38.860 when Christ rose and everything like that. 41:39.500 --> 41:45.180 The mistake that I was making though is that I thought of the 13th day as the preparation day 41:46.060 --> 41:56.060 and that they're basically eating the Passover on Wednesday evening as it's becoming the 14th. 41:56.940 --> 42:02.860 That was one of the obstacles that I had to overcome in order to understand that it's 42:02.860 --> 42:07.260 actually Thursday is that I had the 13th labeled as the preparation day. 42:07.260 --> 42:13.260 And then that creates problems with some of the verses, which is why there were always some things 42:13.260 --> 42:15.660 that didn't quite sit well with me about the Wednesday view. 42:16.540 --> 42:21.420 And so that's why and I used to say back then like that I believed it was Wednesday, 42:21.420 --> 42:23.260 but I used to say it might be Thursday. 42:23.260 --> 42:28.780 I used to say, I think it's like 90% that it's Wednesday, 10% that it's Thursday. 42:29.420 --> 42:31.580 Now I'm 100% that it's Thursday. 42:34.380 --> 42:36.540 Or at least 99.9. 42:38.060 --> 42:39.340 I thought it was for sure Wednesday. 42:39.340 --> 42:44.060 I thought that the Bible was really clear on it and then I kind of proved myself wrong, 42:44.060 --> 42:49.340 which for me after giving up, it was Mark that changed my mind because again, Mark 42:49.980 --> 42:56.140 actually gives you so many different markers of time that I started realizing like, hey, 42:56.140 --> 42:59.740 Mark's actually kind of fitting this all together because you have Palm Sunday, 42:59.740 --> 43:04.300 then you have the day when he cursed the fig tree, then the next day he comes and he sees 43:04.300 --> 43:05.660 the fig tree that he cursed. 43:05.660 --> 43:08.380 Then it says, hey, after two days of the feast of the Passover. 43:08.380 --> 43:11.020 And I was like, wow, that just puts it right on Thursday. 43:11.580 --> 43:14.620 And then that actually jives with every other verse. 43:15.260 --> 43:22.140 And so by just kind of plotting them all together, it kind of to me fit really obviously, 43:23.580 --> 43:29.500 and again, the 14th day being the preparation day is really important because you have to kind of 43:29.500 --> 43:31.260 understand the context of what they're doing. 43:31.820 --> 43:35.180 They have to do a lot of work to enjoy the seven days. 43:35.180 --> 43:37.740 And so they have to get all these things prepared. 43:37.740 --> 43:42.620 Now, even the preparation day itself does technically have a little bit of prep. 43:43.180 --> 43:47.420 So there is a verse that I want to bring up here on this chart. 43:47.420 --> 43:49.260 It's the first day of the feast of 11 bread. 43:49.900 --> 43:51.580 There's four different references to it. 43:51.580 --> 43:53.180 Go if you would to the Excel spreadsheet. 43:53.180 --> 43:57.260 This is what I want you to go to is the Excel spreadsheet because this is a verse that I kind 43:57.260 --> 43:59.980 of struggled with at first to kind of understand here. 44:00.780 --> 44:05.740 Scroll if you would to the purple, bring that up more in the middle of the screen if you can. 44:05.740 --> 44:12.140 But in the purple section, this is again, that Tuesday, I'm sorry, the Wednesday timeline. 44:12.140 --> 44:14.940 So this is Wednesday that we're looking at. 44:14.940 --> 44:17.660 And I kind of made this chart where it shows that it's Wednesday. 44:17.660 --> 44:22.460 But this is in Mark 14 verse 12, this is what it says. 44:22.460 --> 44:27.100 And on the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the Passover, 44:27.100 --> 44:32.940 his disciples said unto him, where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayst eat the Passover? 44:32.940 --> 44:37.180 So like a verse like this to me kind of would lead me to believe what you said, 44:37.180 --> 44:41.020 Pastor Anderson, that it's like, oh, they're like eating the Passover, 44:41.020 --> 44:43.980 maybe on that Wednesday at the Last Supper. 44:44.700 --> 44:46.700 It's kind of a little bit confusing. 44:46.700 --> 44:50.780 But how you can understand this, I want to flip back to the chart in this. 44:50.780 --> 44:57.340 But if you go back to the chart, what it's actually saying here is that on Wednesday, 44:57.340 --> 45:01.180 and I'm just going to throw out a time, this is arbitrary, but let's just say it's like 3pm. 45:01.180 --> 45:02.940 It's 3pm on Wednesday. 45:02.940 --> 45:08.940 His disciples look at them and they say, hey, this is the first day of unleavened bread. 45:09.820 --> 45:11.420 What does that mean? 45:11.420 --> 45:16.220 Well, if you notice at the top of my chart, you kind of have these little curly braces at the top 45:16.220 --> 45:17.180 of the 14th day. 45:17.180 --> 45:21.260 The 14th day actually does happen on Wednesday. 45:21.260 --> 45:23.900 It happens at 6pm on Wednesday. 45:23.900 --> 45:31.020 So it would be accurate for them in a sense from a Roman calendar day to say today, 45:31.020 --> 45:36.060 or this is the day of the feast of unleavened bread that's going to happen that specific day 45:36.140 --> 45:39.580 because their Jewish calendar falls on Wednesday. 45:39.580 --> 45:41.020 It falls on that evening. 45:41.580 --> 45:45.820 Now, then it has this qualifier when they killed the Passover. 45:45.820 --> 45:50.620 Well, when they killed the Passover is specifically the 14th day. 45:50.620 --> 45:55.100 They're not going to kill it at 6pm, but it is going to happen on the 14th day. 45:55.100 --> 45:57.020 So this is kind of an analogy I thought of. 45:58.220 --> 46:03.180 If we had a Jewish calendar, which we don't, and that's how we celebrated Christmas, 46:03.900 --> 46:10.780 if it was Christmas Eve, if it was the 24th of December and it's 3pm, 46:11.340 --> 46:16.060 and let's just say again, our Jewish calendar is going to make Christmas day start at 6pm that day. 46:16.060 --> 46:20.780 And I just said, hey, today's the day when it's going to be Christmas when people open presents. 46:21.580 --> 46:24.220 Well, again, we may not even open the presents at 6pm. 46:24.220 --> 46:27.980 We may wait until the morning on the 25th to open the presents, 46:28.540 --> 46:32.940 but it's accurate to say on the 24th that that was Christmas day because it's going to overlap 46:32.940 --> 46:40.060 on that time period. So again, it's sometimes a little confusing just because a Jewish calendar 46:40.060 --> 46:47.660 day starts at 6pm, whereas Roman days start at midnight. And this is a pretty well-established 46:47.660 --> 46:52.220 fact. I mean, you can even look it up, Roman calendar and when they calculated noon, 46:52.220 --> 46:59.660 they basically calculated noon as a major event. And so they counted 12 hours, they get to 12am. 46:59.660 --> 47:04.540 And that's basically how they started calculating days. This was centuries before Jesus Christ was 47:04.540 --> 47:09.980 even born that the Romans had this idea. Some literature even suggested the Greeks also 47:10.860 --> 47:16.620 observed a similar practice. I'm not an expert historian on this, but again, this is for sure 47:16.620 --> 47:22.380 a practice that Rome was observing at the time of Christ and well before Christ. And it's existed 47:22.380 --> 47:27.500 all the way till today. And think about it this way, much of our calendar has remained the same. 47:27.500 --> 47:34.460 Considering the fact that it's 2024, which is 2024 years from Christ. And again, it's not exact, 47:34.460 --> 47:38.780 but that's around the time that we believe that he was born. We're going to talk about a little 47:38.780 --> 47:45.020 bit later in the broadcast, exactly what year Christ was born and exactly what year Christ died. 47:45.020 --> 47:48.620 But I want to say this, this verse that you're talking about in Matthew right now, 47:48.620 --> 47:54.860 I remember back when you and I were going back and forth about this, this verse was the one that 47:54.860 --> 47:59.900 actually made me come over to the Thursday view. I remember the moment in my mind when I'm like, 47:59.900 --> 48:05.820 you know what, you're right, Pastor Shelley, it's Thursday. It was literally this verse because of 48:05.820 --> 48:12.380 the fact that there's always been this kind of contradiction that I couldn't quite reconcile 48:13.180 --> 48:18.940 about. And people bring this up a lot, even just other biblical scholars out there in the world. 48:19.660 --> 48:24.140 Is he crucified the day before the Passover? Is he crucified on the Passover? And it's like, 48:25.340 --> 48:31.500 this verse right here actually works with the Thursday view in light of everything else. 48:31.500 --> 48:35.660 Whereas with the Wednesday view, there are some irreconcilable differences here. 48:36.300 --> 48:43.180 And so, once I understood what you just explained about this verse, to me that just kind of 48:43.180 --> 48:49.180 solved the last problem that I had as far as trying to reconcile the Passion Week. And that's 48:49.180 --> 48:55.340 when I was like, okay, I'm sold. And the thing that is good about the Thursday view is that it 48:55.340 --> 49:03.340 really deals with every verse. Your chart deals with every verse. And in my mind, it solves all 49:03.340 --> 49:09.660 the problems. And so everything works, everything fits. Whereas with the Wednesday view, you have a 49:09.660 --> 49:15.500 few uncomfortable things. With the Friday view, you have this elephant in the room of it can't be 49:15.500 --> 49:21.340 three days and three nights. I feel like the Thursday view is the comprehensive view. 49:22.460 --> 49:28.460 Well, and again, a point that I was trying to get at is this. In Exodus, it made it clear that 49:28.460 --> 49:35.100 they're not even allowed to eat leavened bread on the 14th day. So if you think about it, that's why 49:35.100 --> 49:40.700 the disciples had to go and set up for the Lord's Supper or prepare for the Lord's Supper before it 49:40.700 --> 49:46.700 even happened because they had to make sure that they had no leaven for the last supper, even though 49:46.700 --> 49:51.340 that wasn't the event that they were going to eat the Passover. The preparation day is a specific 49:51.340 --> 49:57.260 day too. So it's kind of like it goes in stages. Stage one, prepare and make sure you're not going 49:57.260 --> 50:02.060 to have any unleavened bread. And then on the 14th day, they're really busy with the lamb because 50:02.060 --> 50:07.580 they have to present the lamb and then they have to get it ready and then they have to slaughter it 50:08.300 --> 50:12.140 and cook it. So they're really dealing a lot with the lamb so they don't have time to be dealing 50:12.140 --> 50:18.860 with all the bread. So that's why- So at the Last Supper, they're eating unleavened bread 50:18.860 --> 50:25.500 because it's already the 14th. That's why they're saying a few hours later, oh, hey, the day has 50:25.500 --> 50:30.860 arrived from a Roman perspective. The day has arrived. And then they get there that night, 50:30.860 --> 50:35.100 they're eating unleavened bread. They're not eating a lamb at the Last Supper. 50:35.100 --> 50:41.500 Right. Well, they would have been busy getting that ready too. Think about it. If that verse was 50:42.060 --> 50:46.620 when they were going to eat the lamb, then this time when they're talking, he would have been like, 50:46.620 --> 50:49.500 let's get a lamb, let's slaughter it, let's start cooking, let's roast it with fire because we're 50:49.500 --> 50:53.420 going to have to eat this thing. And then everybody else would have been like, what are you guys doing? 50:53.420 --> 50:57.260 Because this is a day early. What are you even doing? It wouldn't even make sense, right? 50:57.260 --> 51:02.140 Right. Well, everybody would be doing the same thing. So you would just see everybody- 51:02.300 --> 51:07.820 They wouldn't be doing the same thing. No, I'm saying if Jesus was eating a lamb at the Last 51:07.820 --> 51:13.020 Supper, he'd be doing it 24 hours before everybody else. Am I right? 51:14.220 --> 51:19.020 Well, I'm just saying that- Because they're eating the Passover 51:19.900 --> 51:25.020 on Thursday night. That's why I remember they don't want to come in the judgment hall because- 51:25.020 --> 51:28.700 I know. I'm saying all those verses contradict that view. I was going to bring that up. It's 51:29.660 --> 51:34.460 it's super clear that no one else has eaten the Sabbath yet because they're making it clear they 51:34.460 --> 51:37.740 don't want to file themselves so they can eat the Sabbath and they can eat the Passover. 51:38.380 --> 51:42.060 Like there's all this conversation about that in the text. So there's no way they just had the 51:42.060 --> 51:46.620 Passover unless, like you said, him and his disciples are just having a completely different 51:46.620 --> 51:52.860 day as everybody else or something. That's what I'm saying. But this has actually been 51:53.500 --> 51:59.980 like a controversy in Christianity for a long time of like, why is Jesus doing the Passover 51:59.980 --> 52:04.540 a day early and whatever? And there are even people out there that say, oh, he's doing the 52:04.540 --> 52:11.660 Essene calendar, the Essene Passover, and the Jews are doing a different calendar, which is obviously 52:11.660 --> 52:18.220 bogus. But this is something that people bring up a lot as something difficult to reconcile. 52:18.860 --> 52:23.900 I feel like once you understand the Thursday view and understand that the Roman calendar 52:23.900 --> 52:28.940 is intersecting with the Jewish calendar, then it fixes everything. It fixes the contradiction. 52:29.740 --> 52:37.500 And that's what I like about it. I feel like Thursday view is so rewarding because it fixes 52:37.500 --> 52:45.660 that age-old question that a lot of people have been confused by. Are Jesus and disciples doing 52:45.660 --> 52:50.540 the Passover early or what's going on? But it makes sense if you understand that, well, 52:50.540 --> 52:57.660 they're not eating the lamb. They're just starting to do the unleavened bread because it's the 14th. 52:57.660 --> 52:58.140 Right. Exactly. 52:58.140 --> 53:00.860 So they're starting to observe that. That makes sense. 53:00.860 --> 53:04.700 Because it's an eight-day feast. Even though it's seven days of unleavened bread, 53:04.700 --> 53:09.580 you constantly hear that, hear that, but that's just a portion of the feast. The 14th day is also 53:09.580 --> 53:15.340 part of this special event, a special holiday that you would celebrate. And it's technically 53:15.340 --> 53:21.660 an eight-day feast that includes the whole preparation day is a big portion of this 53:21.660 --> 53:26.620 particular feast. And so I think that there's a lot of verses here that you have to get in your mind 53:27.740 --> 53:33.580 to understand, to reconcile. But once you slowly put the pieces together, and I think a chart helps, 53:33.580 --> 53:39.740 I'm a visual learner. So for me, unless I had that chronology written out or have a chart, 53:39.740 --> 53:42.700 it's really difficult for me to ever comprehend what we're talking about. 53:43.500 --> 53:46.380 Go back to this chart. I want to show one more thing here that's kind of interesting 53:47.260 --> 53:55.100 with the Thursday view is since he died on Thursday, well, according to Exodus, 53:55.100 --> 53:59.180 you would have a special holy convocation on the next day. That's what the Bible says, 53:59.180 --> 54:04.060 or the first day of the seven days of unleavened bread, which would be the 15th day. 54:04.060 --> 54:08.700 And so I have kind of highlighted up there in the chart, the 15th is in red feast day. 54:09.420 --> 54:15.500 This is a Sabbath day and it's a high day. It's mentioned in the scripture as being a high day, 54:15.500 --> 54:20.940 meaning it's not just a normal Sabbath. This is like a special Sabbath day that is to be observed. 54:20.940 --> 54:27.100 Then of course, if he died on Thursday, you run into another Sabbath. That's just how it works on 54:27.100 --> 54:34.220 the 16th. So basically you have the vast majority of the time or virtually the whole time while 54:34.220 --> 54:42.620 Christ is in hell, you have a Sabbath of man resting, which kind of pictures an interesting 54:42.620 --> 54:48.380 point of while Christ is doing the work for us, we're resting, similar to how in the gospel, 54:48.380 --> 54:53.740 we simply rest in his finished work and the work that he did for our salvation and for the gospel. 54:53.740 --> 54:58.220 And then he rises again on the first day of the week, which is the 17th. Now, what's interesting 54:58.220 --> 55:02.300 about this is in Leviticus, I believe it's in Leviticus. I would have to double check the 55:02.300 --> 55:07.980 reference, but it brings up the idea of doing a wave offering or the first fruits offering. 55:07.980 --> 55:14.380 And it's going to be happening right after this specific 15th day. Well, you wouldn't have it on 55:14.380 --> 55:19.180 the 16th in our view because you run into another Sabbath. So you'd have to wait a whole other day, 55:19.180 --> 55:23.020 which means that their first fruit offering would have been on the 17th day, which would have been 55:24.220 --> 55:29.340 Sunday, which corresponds exactly to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, which is our first 55:29.340 --> 55:33.340 fruits. The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ is our first fruit. And then they have to wait 55:34.300 --> 55:39.740 to reap the rest of their harvest. So there's a time gap, which is exactly what we have in 55:39.740 --> 55:43.740 biblical prophecy where Jesus Christ is the first risen from the dead. It's going to be a time gap. 55:43.740 --> 55:47.980 And then there's going to be the rapture or the great harvest where the Christians are going to 55:47.980 --> 55:54.300 be harvested. And so all of these feast days actually picture and foreshadow future events 55:54.300 --> 55:59.900 and Jesus Christ and the rapture and the harvest. And it's really kind of incredible. 55:59.900 --> 56:05.660 I don't understand how people that can see these truths in the Bible couldn't just understand that 56:05.660 --> 56:12.220 the Bible is the word of God. I mean, there's no way man is writing this. This is just an incredible 56:12.220 --> 56:18.460 masterpiece that is beyond human comprehension, all the intricacies. And not only that, not only 56:18.460 --> 56:23.820 this narrative get written like this, this Bible has stood the test of time. Like he's writing 56:23.820 --> 56:26.780 about these things that are going to happen thousands of years in the future. And then they 56:26.780 --> 56:31.820 happen exactly like they did thousands of years in the future. I mean, that is extreme. That's 56:31.820 --> 56:36.460 impossible. There's no way you could do something like that. I mean, the Bible is just so evident 56:36.460 --> 56:43.660 that it's true. And these prophecies of Jesus Christ are super incredible. I want to get, 56:43.660 --> 56:46.860 if we have any callers, I know I want to be sensitive to people on their lunch break or 56:46.860 --> 56:51.900 whatever. If you want to call in, you can call in 231-Baptist. Ask a question. If we can't go to 56:51.900 --> 56:56.780 you right away, you can just leave your question and we'll try to answer it on the show. 231-Baptist 56:56.780 --> 57:02.860 put one in the chat. Some people are saying, oh, it's Friday. You're twisting scripture. 57:02.860 --> 57:09.100 Yeah. So real quick. So let me kind of play the devil's advocate again and kind of give 57:09.100 --> 57:16.700 the evidence for Friday. Sure. Which like I said, I've never even entertained Friday because it just 57:16.700 --> 57:23.500 violates Matthew 12 40 period. End of story. But what the Friday crowd has going for them 57:24.060 --> 57:30.460 is the verses saying that Jesus is crucified on the preparation of the Sabbath. That's what they 57:30.460 --> 57:36.140 have going for them. All these verses saying that Christ is crucified the day before the Sabbath, 57:36.140 --> 57:40.300 the preparation for the Sabbath, a lot of verse like that. And then they're just thinking that's 57:40.300 --> 57:45.340 Friday, day before the Sabbath must be Friday. But the problem is that they're not recognizing 57:45.340 --> 57:51.740 that in John it says that Sabbath was a high day. And they're also not recognizing the fact 57:51.740 --> 57:57.580 that holidays in the Old Testament are called Sabbaths. You know, you can go to Old Testament 57:57.580 --> 58:04.860 scripture and show where he will call things like the day of atonement or just just holidays that 58:04.860 --> 58:10.780 don't necessarily fall on Saturday. He calls those a Sabbath of rest unto you because the word Shabbat 58:11.420 --> 58:19.260 just simply means rest or ceasing from work. And so what they're not understanding is that when it 58:19.260 --> 58:23.900 says it's the preparation for the Sabbath, it's not talking about the Saturday Sabbath. It's talking 58:23.900 --> 58:31.500 about the Sabbath. That's the holiday, the 15th day of the month. And really that's the only 58:31.500 --> 58:37.020 compelling argument that the Friday crowd has is just all the verses about it being the preparation 58:37.020 --> 58:42.460 for the Sabbath or, you know, Christ crucified, they rest during the Sabbath and then Christ 58:42.460 --> 58:48.620 raises. But what they're not understanding is that there are two Sabbaths back to back. The 15th is 58:48.620 --> 58:55.980 a Sabbath of rest unto the Israelites because it's a holiday. And then they have the Saturday. It's 58:55.980 --> 59:05.100 a three day weekend, folks. Bring up that verse that you were talking about. So in John 19 verse 31, 59:05.980 --> 59:09.660 we actually have kind of a verse that you're alluding to. It says the Jews, therefore, 59:09.660 --> 59:14.780 because it was the preparation that the body should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, 59:15.420 --> 59:20.700 for that Sabbath day was an high day, the slot pilot that their legs might be broken, that they 59:20.700 --> 59:26.060 might be taken away. So again, you're right that it's saying the Sabbath day there. But it tells 59:26.060 --> 59:31.820 us like real explicitly, this isn't just like a normal Sabbath day. This is a high day. What would 59:31.820 --> 59:36.460 be the justification for that clarification if it was just a normal Sabbath? Yeah, if it were just, 59:36.460 --> 59:41.660 let's say it were Saturday, it wouldn't be like, well, here, let me explain to you why they can't 59:41.660 --> 59:46.540 do any work on this day. Like there'd be no explanation needed. Saturday is the Sabbath. 59:46.540 --> 59:53.900 We get it done. But the fact that it's a high day is that it's not the normal Saturday Sabbath. 59:53.900 --> 01:00:00.540 It's a holiday Sabbath. Because again, the word Shabbat is simply referring to rest or ceasing 01:00:00.540 --> 01:00:07.260 from work. And you can find places where it will say that this is a Sabbath of rest unto you. 01:00:08.060 --> 01:00:13.660 It's Sabbath days are not just on Saturdays. It's any day that's any day where they're not 01:00:13.660 --> 01:00:22.220 supposed to work is a Sabbath of rest unto them. Right. So again, you know, there are some verses 01:00:22.220 --> 01:00:28.700 that kind of get brought up as suggesting other views. And there's an article from Got Questions. 01:00:28.700 --> 01:00:32.860 And I want to go to that just because I want to try and present the other side a little bit. 01:00:32.860 --> 01:00:39.340 And they have a article called on what day was Jesus crucified. And then they kind of lay out 01:00:39.340 --> 01:00:46.620 a Wednesday, Thursday and Friday view. Now in this specific article, if you scroll down a little bit, 01:00:48.300 --> 01:00:54.780 it's going to kind of talk about those different views. And we've probably addressed some of these 01:00:54.780 --> 01:01:01.660 things already. But I just kind of want to look at a few things. If he was crucified on a Friday, 01:01:02.540 --> 01:01:09.900 this is like kind of what you were bringing up, then you have those things the day before the 01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:14.940 Sabbath. So like Mark 15 42 is a verse that they're pointing to says that Jesus was crucified on the 01:01:14.940 --> 01:01:22.540 day before the Sabbath. And again, here they would just say that that's Saturday. But then 01:01:22.540 --> 01:01:28.540 towards the bottom, you'll notice right there it says according to the Friday view, the quote, 01:01:28.540 --> 01:01:34.140 three days and three nights prophecy of Matthew 1240 was fulfilled in that both Jesus and Jonah 01:01:34.140 --> 01:01:40.620 were quote confined in difficult situations where they could not move about freely for three periods 01:01:40.620 --> 01:01:46.140 of darkness night and three periods of light day. The three nights of confinement for Jesus were his 01:01:46.140 --> 01:01:52.060 arrest on Thursday night and his tomb and his time in the tomb Friday night and or Saturday, 01:01:52.780 --> 01:01:57.500 three days for Jesus were all day Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I mean, that's just stupid. It doesn't 01:01:57.500 --> 01:02:03.740 say confined. It says that the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the 01:02:03.740 --> 01:02:10.460 earth when he's arrested and before Herod and before Pilate. He's not in the heart of the earth. 01:02:10.460 --> 01:02:16.700 I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Honestly, that was a really bad explanation. I've seen a Catholic 01:02:16.700 --> 01:02:23.500 website and they say, well, three days and three nights is just a phrase that just means three days. 01:02:23.500 --> 01:02:27.980 So we can't take it overly literal. But again, that's that's pretty much how Catholics are always 01:02:27.980 --> 01:02:31.660 with the Bible that when there's something that is clearly contradicts what they believe, it's just 01:02:31.660 --> 01:02:35.820 like, like graven images or something. It's like, oh, we don't want to take that overly literal or 01:02:35.820 --> 01:02:40.140 something. You know, it's kind of ironic when somebody who believes they're literally eating 01:02:40.140 --> 01:02:44.940 the body and blood of Jesus tells us not to take things too literally. Right. Talk about the pot 01:02:44.940 --> 01:02:50.140 calling the kettle black. They take everything too literally. Well, it's funny because when we take 01:02:50.140 --> 01:02:54.460 things metaphorically or spiritually, they take them literally. And then when we take them literally 01:02:54.460 --> 01:02:59.100 now, all of a sudden it's metaphorically. That's because they're wrong about literally everything 01:02:59.100 --> 01:03:03.500 because they're a bunch of pagan idolaters. Right. I mean, Catholic, if Catholics believe anything, 01:03:03.500 --> 01:03:08.620 it should almost just be suspect. I think that the only thing I can really think of that I agree 01:03:08.620 --> 01:03:13.580 with is Palm Sunday. Like I do agree with Palm Sunday. That's definitely matches and jives with 01:03:14.300 --> 01:03:18.700 scripture in the chart. But I think they're wrong. Even things they're right about. Even things 01:03:18.700 --> 01:03:23.260 they're right about. They find a way to screw it up. Well, they got like Ashwin and going on 01:03:23.260 --> 01:03:26.540 like the Virgin birth. You know, it's like, well, they're right on the Virgin birth. But then they 01:03:26.540 --> 01:03:33.660 make the Virgin birth weird, eternal. And they send it where she's eternally a virgin and, and how 01:03:34.300 --> 01:03:39.980 Jesus didn't even like come out of her birth canal. He had to like be beamed out like Star Trek or 01:03:39.980 --> 01:03:46.620 something. Like they find a way to ruin even the doctrines that they're somewhat right about. 01:03:47.420 --> 01:03:53.500 And so they have no authority. I mean, if anything, like you said, the fact that they believe in it, 01:03:53.500 --> 01:03:57.500 it doesn't make it more likely. It makes it less likely because they screw up everything that they 01:03:57.500 --> 01:04:03.660 touch virtually. I want to go back to that GotQuestions article. And what's interesting, 01:04:03.660 --> 01:04:09.180 and I don't want to go to it just yet, but I just want to note that they talk about the actual year 01:04:09.180 --> 01:04:16.620 in which Jesus was crucified. And they say, if you take a Friday view, Jesus was crucified in 8030. 01:04:16.620 --> 01:04:20.060 Now, if we scroll down to the Thursday view here in this GotQuestions article, 01:04:20.700 --> 01:04:25.260 it basically points to a lot of things that we brought up. The three days and three nights and 01:04:25.260 --> 01:04:32.300 how that reconciles a lot smoother. It actually makes sense. And essentially they talk about the 01:04:33.340 --> 01:04:41.180 Sabbath. They explain how that works and how there was two Sabbaths. And so just kind of exactly 01:04:41.180 --> 01:04:46.380 what we said. Then it's interesting. They even bring up the road to Emmaus point that I brought 01:04:46.380 --> 01:04:52.140 up. How was the third day since, which I think is just like a nail in the coffin. One thing that 01:04:52.140 --> 01:04:58.940 this article does say though is on a Thursday view, it would have been 8032. That is totally 01:04:58.940 --> 01:05:03.900 wrong. Right. We're going to talk about that. I want to talk about that in a minute. But honestly, 01:05:03.900 --> 01:05:08.780 if you read their Thursday view, other than that, it's pretty much exactly what we're saying. And 01:05:08.780 --> 01:05:15.580 it all sounds right. They don't even really bring up hardly any objections that would even make any 01:05:15.580 --> 01:05:19.420 sense. I don't even think they really point to anything that's a problem. It pretty much 01:05:19.420 --> 01:05:26.380 solves everything. But then they bring up the Wednesday view down at the bottom. And their 01:05:26.380 --> 01:05:32.460 strongest proof for a Wednesday is usually talking about the spices and talking about 01:05:33.020 --> 01:05:37.900 when the women came to purchase spices. So right here in kind of the first part of their paragraph, 01:05:38.540 --> 01:05:43.980 they say the women purchase spices after the Sabbath, according to Mark 16 verse 01:05:44.700 --> 01:05:49.660 one. So I want to go to Mark 16 verse one. And I want to talk about this for just a second, 01:05:49.660 --> 01:05:54.540 because I know there's other people that talk to me about this and they said that that was kind of 01:05:54.540 --> 01:06:02.860 a hang up for Thursday or a Friday view. And here's another thing to note though, is when they bring 01:06:02.860 --> 01:06:10.380 up Mark 16 verse one in this specific article, they bring up the ESV, which the ESV says, 01:06:10.940 --> 01:06:17.100 when the Sabbath was passed, Mary Magdalene, Mary, the mother of James and Salome bought spices 01:06:17.100 --> 01:06:23.020 so that they might go and anoint him. So when you read the ESV, I'll grant you that it really 01:06:23.020 --> 01:06:28.460 does sound like the way it's worded. I mean, I don't even know if you can have any alternative 01:06:28.460 --> 01:06:34.700 view here that they bought spices after the Sabbath. Well, that could potentially present 01:06:34.700 --> 01:06:39.020 a problem for a Thursday view. I think it's actually solvable, but it would be a problem 01:06:39.020 --> 01:06:43.340 if you have that view and then you try and reconcile with other passages. So in Mark 16, 01:06:43.340 --> 01:06:48.540 one in the King James though, we pulled this up, it says, and when the Sabbath was passed, 01:06:48.540 --> 01:06:54.940 Mary Magdalene and Mary, the mother of James and Salome had bought sweet spices that they 01:06:55.500 --> 01:07:02.380 might come and anoint him. Now, again, it's a little bit kind of an awkward sentence to me, 01:07:03.180 --> 01:07:08.380 but again, it says had bought, meaning it was a past tense. So I believe it just bringing up 01:07:08.380 --> 01:07:13.180 the fact that they had done this. It's not saying that it happened after the Sabbath has passed, 01:07:13.180 --> 01:07:17.340 it's just saying right now the Sabbath has passed and they're bringing with them the spices that 01:07:17.340 --> 01:07:25.660 they had bought. Well, here's what's going on. If the ESV, if we go with what the ESV were saying, 01:07:26.700 --> 01:07:32.620 then it would say when the Sabbath has passed, they bought the spices. Well, here's the thing, 01:07:33.180 --> 01:07:39.580 they could still buy the spices on Saturday evening because the Sabbath is sundown Friday 01:07:39.580 --> 01:07:46.620 to sundown Saturday, as we would think of it. So that means at 7.30 PM on Saturday, they could go 01:07:46.620 --> 01:07:54.780 buy spices. So that's no problem for the Thursday view or the Friday view in that sense. But I 01:07:54.780 --> 01:08:00.700 believe that the King James is accurate when it says that when the Sabbath was passed, they had 01:08:00.700 --> 01:08:05.260 bought spices. So after the Sabbath has passed, they'd already bought the spices, they're just 01:08:05.260 --> 01:08:09.900 taking them to the tomb. And the reason that the King James is correct is because the King James 01:08:09.900 --> 01:08:17.340 is taking into account Luke chapter 23, which I believe you're turning to and reconciling those 01:08:17.340 --> 01:08:24.140 two. And there's a similar thing going on in Genesis chapter 12 verse 1, where the King James 01:08:24.140 --> 01:08:30.940 says, the Lord had said to Abraham, get thee out of thy country and so forth. Whereas the ESV just 01:08:30.940 --> 01:08:36.220 says the Lord said to Abraham. And what it is is that they're making the mistake with the ESV 01:08:36.940 --> 01:08:42.860 of thinking that verb tenses in Hebrew and Greek work the same way as they work in English. 01:08:43.420 --> 01:08:49.020 And that just simply isn't the case. And so the King James translators understand the fact 01:08:49.580 --> 01:08:55.740 that these verb tenses are not necessarily one-to-one always going to translate into 01:08:55.740 --> 01:09:02.220 English the same way. And so in Genesis 12, 1, they're taking Acts 7 verse 2 into account 01:09:02.220 --> 01:09:08.700 that says that he got that message when he was back in Mesopotamia. And so that's why they 01:09:08.700 --> 01:09:15.500 correctly translated as the Lord had said to Abraham. And then same thing, or Abram, I should 01:09:15.500 --> 01:09:20.380 say. And then once we get into Mark 16, it's the same thing. The King James translators, 01:09:20.380 --> 01:09:26.700 they know what Luke 23 says. And so they're interpreting it as a past perfect in English 01:09:26.700 --> 01:09:33.260 they had bought to reconcile with Luke 23. They're still translating the same underlying Greek 01:09:33.900 --> 01:09:41.500 because the underlying Greek has room for both interpretations. But if you take the ESV interpretation, 01:09:41.500 --> 01:09:46.540 it ends up being misleading in English. In Greek, it's not misleading. In Greek, 01:09:46.540 --> 01:09:51.340 it could just go either way. But it becomes misleading the way the ESV translates it into 01:09:51.340 --> 01:09:58.140 English. The KJV translators are interpreting it in light of Luke 23 and giving the reader 01:09:58.140 --> 01:10:05.020 the correct impression. Well, and again, you're right that one solution would just simply to say 01:10:05.100 --> 01:10:11.740 that they bought spices after 6 p.m. on Saturday night. That totally could fix that verse. But 01:10:11.740 --> 01:10:16.380 again, I believe that it's correct that it's had bought and it's not referring to that time period. 01:10:16.380 --> 01:10:24.380 It's actually referring to Thursday between 3 and 3 p.m. and 6 p.m. because of what Luke 23 and 24 01:10:24.380 --> 01:10:29.500 says. Because if you read Luke 23 at the very end of the chapter in verse 54, I think we can pull it 01:10:29.500 --> 01:10:35.980 up. It says, in that day was the preparation and the Sabbath drew on. So it's saying the 01:10:35.980 --> 01:10:42.460 Sabbath is coming quickly. Verse 55, and the women also which came with him from Galilee followed 01:10:42.460 --> 01:10:48.780 after and beheld the sepulcher and how his body was laid. And they returned and prepared spices 01:10:48.780 --> 01:10:53.740 and ointments and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment. So in Luke 23, they obviously 01:10:53.740 --> 01:10:59.020 have purchased spices and they've prepared them, which would be important because they're not going 01:10:59.020 --> 01:11:04.220 to do that on the Sabbath day because they can't do any work. And they're not going to do any work 01:11:04.220 --> 01:11:08.620 on Saturday and they want to do it as soon as they possibly can. So they have everything basically 01:11:08.620 --> 01:11:15.020 ready. And then if you look at chapter 24 verse 1, it says, now upon the first day of the week, 01:11:15.020 --> 01:11:20.380 very early in the morning, they came under the sepulcher bringing the spices which they had 01:11:20.380 --> 01:11:27.580 prepared and certain others with them. So there again, it's the spices that they had prepared, 01:11:27.580 --> 01:11:33.820 which was from context of chapter 23, the ones they had purchased on that specific Thursday 01:11:33.820 --> 01:11:39.260 beforehand. So I don't think the Got Questions article is bringing up a legitimate criticism 01:11:39.260 --> 01:11:44.860 of the Thursday view. I think it's actually very clear. I think it's just the ESVs wording. Yeah, 01:11:44.860 --> 01:11:49.500 sure. Maybe the ESV says it kind of weird and tries to create a contradiction. But even if you 01:11:49.500 --> 01:11:56.060 didn't believe in our view, it's just a contradiction. It's just like- 01:11:56.220 --> 01:12:05.420 Yeah, but the ESV reading still isn't a problem for Thursday because they just buy them on Saturday 01:12:05.420 --> 01:12:10.300 night. But then you'd have a little bit of a contradiction with Luke 23. And then you'd have 01:12:10.300 --> 01:12:17.900 to just say, well, they bought some spices on Thursday and then they bought some more on 01:12:17.900 --> 01:12:24.460 Saturday night or something. It's kind of a weak argument, to be honest, making it all about the 01:12:24.460 --> 01:12:30.620 spices when there's so much other clear evidence. I feel like emphasizing when they bought the 01:12:30.620 --> 01:12:35.260 spices is kind of silly because there are 10 different ways around this problem. And so 01:12:36.300 --> 01:12:40.940 to me, it's kind of a nothing burger. Well, if you go back to the Got Questions article 01:12:40.940 --> 01:12:44.060 just for another second, because then you have the question of the three days and three nights. 01:12:44.700 --> 01:12:49.500 And I don't even understand what they're trying to say here, but it says supporters of the Wednesday 01:12:49.500 --> 01:12:54.940 viewpoint see theirs as the only explanation that does not violate the biblical account of the women 01:12:54.940 --> 01:12:59.820 and the spices and holds to a little understanding of Matthew 1240. The three days and three nights 01:12:59.820 --> 01:13:05.900 of Matthew 1240 are reckoned as follows, early Thursday, day one, late Thursday night one, 01:13:05.900 --> 01:13:11.340 early Friday, day two, late Friday night two, and early Saturday, day three, and late Saturday night 01:13:11.340 --> 01:13:18.060 three, which is kind of weird because I'm thinking like that's how I counted essentially, except for 01:13:18.060 --> 01:13:23.820 I was counting just late day Thursday. But you have to understand that Jesus Christ would have died 01:13:23.820 --> 01:13:29.100 at even and you would have had Wednesday night. They don't even have Wednesday night. 01:13:29.100 --> 01:13:34.860 Yeah, but I think at this point, the Got Questions article is just a little off the rails 01:13:34.860 --> 01:13:41.020 because the Got Questions article also screwed up earlier with 32 AD thing. I think this is just 01:13:41.020 --> 01:13:46.300 the author got a little confused. So I wouldn't say that that's any kind of a mainstream view. 01:13:46.300 --> 01:13:51.820 I would say that that's just an anomaly with this article that this article got a little screwed up there. 01:13:51.820 --> 01:13:55.340 How did you try to count the three days and three nights from Wednesday? Do you remember? 01:13:56.140 --> 01:14:03.340 Yeah, absolutely. What I considered it was Wednesday night, Thursday, Thursday night, 01:14:03.340 --> 01:14:09.180 Friday, Friday night, Saturday, and then Jesus Christ rises during Saturday night. 01:14:09.900 --> 01:14:12.460 Toward the beginning of Saturday night is when he comes to life. 01:14:13.420 --> 01:14:19.020 So that and I would assume that that's how every Wednesday proponent would see it. 01:14:19.020 --> 01:14:24.140 And every thing that I've looked at from people that were promoting Wednesday articles, sermons, 01:14:24.140 --> 01:14:29.420 and stuff, that's what they taught. So that's why I'm thinking that we should just kind of just 01:14:29.420 --> 01:14:34.140 reject that part of the article, because I think that's just the author didn't do a very good job 01:14:34.140 --> 01:14:38.540 of explaining that part, because I think you're right. I was a proponent of Wednesday for a long 01:14:38.540 --> 01:14:43.740 time. I've heard a lot of Wednesday people and what they're saying just isn't accurate. 01:14:43.740 --> 01:14:49.740 What they're saying makes no sense. If that view is true, that would mean that he could have 01:14:49.740 --> 01:14:54.460 technically risen on the first day of the week from a Jewish calendar perspective, but it doesn't 01:14:54.460 --> 01:15:00.460 really fit with the Roman calendar as well. Exactly. Whereas with Thursday view, he's rising 01:15:00.460 --> 01:15:05.580 the first day of the week from both a Roman and a Jewish perspective. Exactly. Which is why it's a 01:15:05.580 --> 01:15:11.500 superior, one of the many reasons why it's a superior view. Now, I want to actually address 01:15:11.500 --> 01:15:16.940 this thing that we brought up in the article about the year, specifically about the crucifixion. 01:15:16.940 --> 01:15:23.500 And what's interesting, again, I'm not an expert on this subject at all. I'm definitely going to 01:15:23.500 --> 01:15:30.140 lean on Pastor Anderson's view here, but because of how accurate astronomy can be, and they can 01:15:30.140 --> 01:15:35.020 predict and understand how certain things work, I mean, we're going to have a, I believe it's a solar 01:15:35.020 --> 01:15:40.140 eclipse here in the DFW area in a few days or maybe in the next week or so. It's actually a 01:15:40.140 --> 01:15:45.900 pretty soon event that's going to happen. Because of how these heavenly bodies move at such a 01:15:45.900 --> 01:15:52.780 consistent measurable rate, we can actually go forward in future and we can go backwards 01:15:52.780 --> 01:15:58.780 in time and kind of understand where the heavenly bodies would be through calculations and computer 01:15:58.780 --> 01:16:04.540 models and everything like that. And this is where when you look at history and astronomy, 01:16:04.620 --> 01:16:09.900 we can actually try to figure out dates corresponding to Christ's birth and his 01:16:09.900 --> 01:16:14.940 crucifixion. Now, I want to kind of hand it over to you because I know you understand this way 01:16:14.940 --> 01:16:18.780 better than I do. And we have a couple assets for you. So whatever you want to pull up, just let us 01:16:18.780 --> 01:16:25.180 know and we'll try to pull it up. But how did you study this? Yeah, let me just introduce the subject. 01:16:25.180 --> 01:16:33.020 First of all, we have to understand that the universe is like a clock. Everything is moving 01:16:33.820 --> 01:16:41.900 according to very set patterns. It's extremely reliable. You can wind back the clock and figure 01:16:41.900 --> 01:16:48.460 out exactly where the heavenly bodies were on a day thousands of years ago. And the reason that 01:16:48.460 --> 01:16:53.900 we know that these models are accurate is that when astronomers do these calculations, they can 01:16:53.900 --> 01:17:00.700 then go and compare them to ancient documents in astronomy from the Greeks, from the Chinese, 01:17:00.700 --> 01:17:08.300 from the Arabs, and they find that they match their simulations. And so we have confidence within 01:17:08.300 --> 01:17:17.100 five or 10 minutes about when things happened in the sky, even as far back as 2000 years ago. 01:17:17.100 --> 01:17:24.140 Already in the 17th century, scientists and astronomers were already trying to 01:17:24.780 --> 01:17:32.300 use this information to figure out what was the star of Bethlehem or when was the Passover, 01:17:32.300 --> 01:17:37.100 what day of the week was the Passover in these various years, trying to pinpoint the birth of 01:17:37.100 --> 01:17:46.060 Christ, the crucifixion of Christ. And obviously now in 2024, we have even more advanced calculations, 01:17:46.620 --> 01:17:52.540 computer models, simulations, and so forth. So you can really get extremely accurate with this stuff 01:17:53.260 --> 01:17:59.980 now. So the first thing I want to just briefly talk about is when Christ was born. 01:18:01.660 --> 01:18:09.500 And what we go by with that is that death of Herod in 4 BC is an important thing to do with that. 01:18:09.500 --> 01:18:19.020 And so the vast majority of scholars agree that Christ was born in 6 BC. Now, we want to be born 01:18:19.020 --> 01:18:24.300 in 1 AD because that's the whole point of the AD system, but it's just that when that system 01:18:24.860 --> 01:18:31.980 first originated, it just wasn't accurate. It's off by about six years. And so actually, 01:18:32.620 --> 01:18:39.180 6 BC would be the year that Christ was born. If you take all of the data that's given to us 01:18:39.180 --> 01:18:44.140 in scripture about historical events that were happening at that time, and then we look at 01:18:44.140 --> 01:18:49.100 historical records of things like the death of Herod, I mean, that's just one of the things. 01:18:49.100 --> 01:18:52.620 There are lots of other things. I don't want to spend too much time talking about the birth of 01:18:52.620 --> 01:18:57.180 Christ because we want to focus more on when he was crucified, but I'm just going to throw it out 01:18:57.180 --> 01:19:04.220 there that he was born in 6 BC. Now, I personally subscribe to the view of this book right here, 01:19:04.780 --> 01:19:12.940 The Star of Bethlehem by Dr. Michael Molnar. He actually, using the astronomical data 01:19:13.660 --> 01:19:21.260 and astrological data, he actually pinpoints it down to April 17th, you know, 6 BC. And I believe 01:19:21.260 --> 01:19:26.700 that he is correct. But even if you don't necessarily buy into his particular theories, 01:19:26.700 --> 01:19:33.020 he's got this wonderful chart on page 63 where he shows all the different historical events 01:19:33.660 --> 01:19:41.100 that have to be reconciled, you know, when Herod died and, you know, Jesus being about 30 years old 01:19:41.100 --> 01:19:48.220 in the 15th year of Tiberius' reign and Archelaus when he ruled, all these different things. 01:19:48.220 --> 01:19:54.700 They all kind of connect at 6 BC. So that's what we're going to use as a date for the birth of 01:19:54.700 --> 01:20:01.820 Christ. Okay. So then the question becomes what year was Christ crucified? Because if we're going 01:20:01.820 --> 01:20:08.060 to say that it was on a Thursday, then we need to be able to point to a year when the Passover 01:20:08.700 --> 01:20:14.540 was on a Thursday. Okay. So if you could go ahead and pull up that chart that I sent over to you, 01:20:14.540 --> 01:20:23.180 Brother Shelley, about the different dates. Yeah. Let's see if we can pull up the multi-view there 01:20:23.180 --> 01:20:25.820 and get that asset or just bring up the asset. Before you pull that up, though, 01:20:26.220 --> 01:20:33.500 before you pull that up, I'm going to pull up something different here, which is this article. 01:20:35.340 --> 01:20:37.340 Well, I'm not going to pull it up. I'll just tell you. Basically, 01:20:37.340 --> 01:20:45.180 go to the view. You can switch the view. There we go. Okay. Yeah. Perfect. So here's the thing 01:20:45.180 --> 01:20:50.780 I want to say going into this is that when I first started researching this, trying to figure out 01:20:51.660 --> 01:20:57.900 what day of the week the Passover was on in these various years, the numbers are just all over the 01:20:57.900 --> 01:21:03.180 place. So I mean, if you look up 10 different articles on this, you're going to get 10 different 01:21:03.180 --> 01:21:11.100 answers. And so it's really frustrating that there were just so much spurious information out there. 01:21:11.100 --> 01:21:14.700 And I think that this is kind of an important point to make about looking things up in general, 01:21:14.700 --> 01:21:20.460 because in 2024, being able to find reliable, accurate information is a skill that everyone 01:21:20.460 --> 01:21:27.580 needs to have because there's so much junk and disinfo out there. And so the chart that we're 01:21:27.580 --> 01:21:35.260 looking at here is actually from a reliable scholarly source. It's from this guy, Dr. Colin 01:21:35.260 --> 01:21:44.380 Humphreys from the University of Oxford. So it's a nice, reliable scholarly source. But not only 01:21:44.380 --> 01:21:51.180 that, we're also going to verify this ourselves using astronomy software. And hopefully I'm going 01:21:51.180 --> 01:21:59.020 to be able to share my screen and even show you guys my own look at that data in the astronomy 01:21:59.020 --> 01:22:04.460 software, because number one, we want to get reliable sources for our information. But then 01:22:04.460 --> 01:22:09.820 number two, whenever we can want to fact check that stuff ourselves. And I think the reason why 01:22:09.820 --> 01:22:15.660 there's so much bogus and spurious information out there on this subject is because of the fact that 01:22:15.660 --> 01:22:20.300 people are getting the data and they're not understanding how to interpret it. So there were 01:22:20.300 --> 01:22:26.220 a lot of articles online that were even citing reliable sources like the US Navy, astronomical, 01:22:26.220 --> 01:22:32.780 whatever observatory, and they had a good source. But then by the time that source information made 01:22:32.780 --> 01:22:38.380 it to their article, they had screwed up the data because they were confused between the conjunction 01:22:39.100 --> 01:22:44.060 and the new moon. They were confused between the 14th day of Nissan and the 15th day of Nissan. 01:22:44.060 --> 01:22:48.060 This stuff can be a little complicated for somebody who doesn't know a lot about astronomy. 01:22:48.060 --> 01:22:53.900 And so just warning folks, if you Google this, you're going to get answers all over the place. 01:22:53.900 --> 01:22:59.740 I'm going to actually give you reliable information right now by going to a scholarly source. And then 01:22:59.740 --> 01:23:03.580 I'm actually going to prove it to you. Hopefully you'll be able to see it with your own eyes, 01:23:03.580 --> 01:23:09.980 depending on how clear the screen share is. Okay. So looking at this chart, let me just explain this 01:23:09.980 --> 01:23:15.980 a little bit. The chart's a little fuzzy on my end, but hopefully you at home can read this thing. 01:23:17.580 --> 01:23:23.740 But anyway, it says, in fact, I'm going to pull up the chart on my end so I can read it a little 01:23:23.740 --> 01:23:27.260 more clearly. Maybe I just have to- We'll share the link too so then that way people can- 01:23:27.260 --> 01:23:32.460 Yeah, share the link so that people can get a clear view of the chart. I'm going to just pull 01:23:32.460 --> 01:23:36.940 it up. My eyesight's not that great these days, so I'm going to pull it up in a separate window. 01:23:36.940 --> 01:23:39.420 We'll bring it up even bigger or zoom in a little bit too. 01:23:40.380 --> 01:23:47.740 Oh, there we go. That looks better. Perfect. Okay. So looking at this chart, we want to find a 01:23:47.740 --> 01:23:55.340 Thursday because that's when we clearly believe biblically Christ died. Okay. And if you look 01:23:55.420 --> 01:24:04.220 at this chart, the only Thursday option that this chart is putting forth is 27 AD. And I'm going to 01:24:04.220 --> 01:24:11.900 tell you right now that that is not a good option for the crucifixion of Christ. And here's the big 01:24:11.900 --> 01:24:20.380 problem with 27 AD is that the Bible tells us in Luke chapter 3 that when John the Baptist began 01:24:20.380 --> 01:24:29.580 his ministry that it was the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar. Okay. Now obviously, 01:24:30.380 --> 01:24:36.380 the reign of Tiberius Caesar is a historical event that we know a lot about because, you know, 01:24:36.380 --> 01:24:44.220 Roman emperors are a big deal, so there's a lot of historical record regarding them. And so we know 01:24:44.220 --> 01:24:53.340 historically that Caesar Augustus died in AD 14. So most of the time you will see the reign of 01:24:53.340 --> 01:25:00.540 Tiberius as starting in AD 14 because that's when Caesar Augustus died. Okay. And as you can see on 01:25:00.540 --> 01:25:07.020 the screen, it's the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar. This is when John the Baptist 01:25:07.020 --> 01:25:11.740 starts preaching. This is when the Bible is going to tell us a little later in the chapter that 01:25:11.740 --> 01:25:21.740 Jesus Christ is about 30 years old. Okay. And so if you stop and think about it, from 14 AD, 01:25:22.860 --> 01:25:30.860 the 15th year is going to be something like 28 AD or 29 AD. That's definitely not going to work with 01:25:30.860 --> 01:25:37.820 the, you know, Thursday and 27 AD. Now here's an important thing to realize though is that in AD 01:25:37.820 --> 01:25:45.580 12, that's actually the real year that Tiberius Caesar began to reign. Even before the death of 01:25:45.580 --> 01:25:54.300 Augustus, Tiberius Caesar reigned as co-prinkeps with full power, as much power as Caesar Augustus. 01:25:54.300 --> 01:26:02.780 He was fully reigning starting in AD 12. So then if we add the 15 years to that, now we get 26 AD, 01:26:02.780 --> 01:26:09.820 but that is still not really going to work with this 27 AD Thursday because if Jesus isn't getting 01:26:09.820 --> 01:26:17.740 baptized until 26 AD or even 27 AD, well then there's no time for his ministry because Christ's 01:26:17.740 --> 01:26:22.540 ministry was like three and a half years, right? So if Christ's ministry is like three and a half years, 01:26:23.420 --> 01:26:31.180 then you can't have him, you know, starting his ministry in AD 26 and then dying in AD 27. 01:26:31.180 --> 01:26:40.700 So I believe that this AD 27 Thursday is not a good candidate. So then you might say to yourself, 01:26:40.700 --> 01:26:47.020 well, okay, well, that's the only Thursday on the list. So what are we going to do here? 01:26:47.020 --> 01:26:57.180 Right. Okay. Well, look at the Wednesday. There's a Wednesday in 34 AD. Why is that not going to work? 01:26:57.900 --> 01:27:06.940 Well, the problem with Wednesday, AD 34 is that if Christ was born in 6 BC, which is what all of 01:27:06.940 --> 01:27:13.740 the biblical and historical data points to, then that would actually mean that when Christ died here, 01:27:14.540 --> 01:27:21.180 he would be like, you know, something like 38 years old or 39 years old or something. 01:27:22.060 --> 01:27:27.820 And so that's too old because then, you know, you'd have to make the case that when it says he was 01:27:27.820 --> 01:27:34.860 about 30 years old, he was actually like 34 or something. And, you know, 34 isn't really like 01:27:34.860 --> 01:27:41.100 about 30. So that just seems way too late. There's also some stuff with the Apostle Paul's timeline 01:27:41.660 --> 01:27:48.860 that would not work with this AD 34. AD 34 is just too late. Okay. So there's no good, 01:27:48.860 --> 01:27:54.540 there's no good Wednesday option on this list at all because AD 34 is a bad option. 01:27:56.060 --> 01:28:01.180 And that's the only Wednesday on the list. And then the only Thursday on the list is 27 AD. That's 01:28:01.180 --> 01:28:06.540 also a bad option. I'll tell you what the good option is. It's AD 30. Okay. Now you say, wait a 01:28:06.540 --> 01:28:10.940 minute, Pastor Anderson, it says Friday. Well, this is where we have to dig a little bit deeper 01:28:11.020 --> 01:28:18.140 because notice that next to AD 30, Friday, April 7th, notice that has two crosses. 01:28:18.860 --> 01:28:24.380 If we go down to the bottom here and look at those two crosses on the footnote, it says, 01:28:24.380 --> 01:28:31.740 in each of these cases, it is not impossible, but highly improbable that 14 Nissan would have 01:28:31.740 --> 01:28:38.860 occurred on the preceding day. And so according to this chart, which is coming from, of course, 01:28:39.100 --> 01:28:44.460 Dr. Humphries at Oxford University, he's saying it's actually possible that in AD 30, it was 01:28:44.460 --> 01:28:51.740 actually a Thursday, April 6th. Now he claims it's highly improbable. It's not improbable at all. 01:28:51.740 --> 01:28:55.740 And I'm going to prove that to you that it's not improbable, but he's even acknowledging, 01:28:55.740 --> 01:29:01.340 yeah, it's possible that in AD 30, it's actually a Thursday. We have to first of all, put ourselves 01:29:01.340 --> 01:29:08.220 in Dr. Humphries' mind here. In his calculation, he's reliable on the astronomy. All of his 01:29:08.220 --> 01:29:13.900 astronomy stuff is great, but the problem is that theologically, he wants it to be a Friday. 01:29:13.900 --> 01:29:20.780 So he wants there to be as many Fridays as possible. So he wants a Friday in AD 30, a Friday in 01:29:20.780 --> 01:29:27.580 AD 33. They're looking for Fridays, but in his chart, he is saying that it's possible that it 01:29:27.580 --> 01:29:32.700 was Thursday. Now, what's the discrepancy? Well, if we could pull back up the chart, please. 01:29:32.700 --> 01:29:41.420 Look at the new moon time. This is the actual scientific data. The deduced date is based on 01:29:41.420 --> 01:29:46.220 the scientific data. Well, we're going to do that deduction right now. But if we look at the new 01:29:46.220 --> 01:29:57.020 moon time, for AD 30, it says that it happened on March 22nd at 7.55 PM and that this is a plus or 01:29:57.020 --> 01:30:05.420 minus accuracy of about five minutes. So March 22nd, 7.55 PM. Now, according to their logic of 01:30:05.420 --> 01:30:13.020 calculating it for Friday, they are setting the first day of the month as March 24th. 01:30:15.020 --> 01:30:19.900 Or I'm sorry, March 25th. They have the first day of the month as March 25th based on their 01:30:19.980 --> 01:30:24.940 calculation. Now, I don't want you to glaze over here. I don't want to get too complicated here, 01:30:25.580 --> 01:30:30.860 but I want to explain some of the astronomy here. Do you have the graphics for the new moon that 01:30:30.860 --> 01:30:42.620 you can pull up? What does it mean when it says March 22nd at 7.55 PM was the new moon? Well, if 01:30:42.700 --> 01:30:54.380 you look at this chart here, this kind of shows the difference between a new moon and a full moon. 01:30:55.660 --> 01:31:01.260 So at the top of the screen, we have the new moon where the moon comes between the sun and the earth. 01:31:01.980 --> 01:31:09.580 So therefore, the side of the moon that's facing the earth is totally dark, whereas the side that's 01:31:09.580 --> 01:31:14.780 facing away from the earth is lit up by the sun. Then if you look at the bottom with the full moon, 01:31:14.780 --> 01:31:21.260 it's the opposite. The earth is between the sun and moon so that the side of the moon facing us is 01:31:21.260 --> 01:31:28.460 fully illuminated during the full moon. Now, if you look at this chart, you'd think that every 01:31:28.460 --> 01:31:34.860 single month there'd be a lunar eclipse on the full moon and that every single month there'd be 01:31:34.860 --> 01:31:39.260 a solar eclipse on the new moon. The reason that that doesn't happen every single month 01:31:39.260 --> 01:31:43.900 is because they're not rotating in exactly the same planes. But every once in a while, 01:31:43.900 --> 01:31:49.980 the planes do align and that's when you get an eclipse because as you can see during the new moon, 01:31:50.540 --> 01:31:57.980 the moon comes between the earth and the sun. And so that's when a solar eclipse would take place, 01:31:57.980 --> 01:32:02.060 but it doesn't usually take place because they're not exactly lined up. Does that make sense? 01:32:03.020 --> 01:32:09.500 So when we talk about the conjunction time, we're talking about the time that the sun, 01:32:10.060 --> 01:32:14.780 moon, and earth are in this alignment that we see in the upper part of the graphic. 01:32:15.580 --> 01:32:24.300 That is the conjunction time. That is what took place if you're standing in Jerusalem at 7.55 p.m. 01:32:24.300 --> 01:32:30.700 on March 22nd, the moon and the sun are in alignment. Now here's the thing, if the moon 01:32:30.700 --> 01:32:35.180 and the sun are in alignment, it's of course impossible to see the moon because you're looking 01:32:35.180 --> 01:32:41.020 at the sun. How can you see the moon if you're looking at the sun? The sun is so bright it 01:32:41.020 --> 01:32:48.380 overpowers the moon to where you can't see it. So what you would expect to see the moon is on the 01:32:48.380 --> 01:32:55.660 next night once it's begun to drift a little bit away from the sun. So the reason it's called the 01:32:55.660 --> 01:33:01.900 new moon is because you're seeing the moon on a daily basis, right? Then when the conjunction takes 01:33:01.900 --> 01:33:07.420 place on what scientifically is called the new moon, the moon is invisible. It's impossible to 01:33:07.420 --> 01:33:15.260 see because it's lined up with the sun unless there's an eclipse. So the new moon is the day 01:33:15.260 --> 01:33:22.140 when you can start seeing the moon again after this happens. And it'll just be a tiny little sliver 01:33:22.860 --> 01:33:29.500 as you start getting into the waxing crescent phase, okay? So here's the deal. According to 01:33:29.500 --> 01:33:36.860 the scientific data, the conjunction happened at 7.55 p.m. on March 22nd. What they're basically 01:33:36.860 --> 01:33:43.820 saying is, well on the 23rd they probably didn't see it. They probably didn't see it till the 24th 01:33:44.540 --> 01:33:50.700 and then the 25th then would be the first day of Nissan and then the 14th day of Nissan is that 01:33:50.700 --> 01:33:57.820 Friday. But what I'm saying is that if the conjunction took place on the 22nd, that yes, 01:33:57.820 --> 01:34:04.700 they did see the moon the next day on the 20th. That's the new moon. The day after the conjunction, 01:34:04.700 --> 01:34:12.540 boom, they see it on the night of the 23rd and then on the 24th you have Nissan 1. And if Nissan 01:34:12.540 --> 01:34:19.260 1 is on the 24th, well then that means that the 14th day of the month is a Thursday, April 6th, 01:34:19.260 --> 01:34:25.980 and that Christ was crucified on April 6th, AD 30. Now I'm going to go ahead and pull up my 01:34:25.980 --> 01:34:32.460 astronomy software and show that I'm correct about this. And I'm going to show that the 01:34:32.460 --> 01:34:40.300 scientific data is correct about the conjunction happening at 7.55 on March 22nd, but I'm going to 01:34:40.300 --> 01:34:47.820 show that the interpretation of that data, the deduced date for Nissan 14 is wrong because the 01:34:47.820 --> 01:34:55.180 moon is in fact visible on the 23rd. So here's the software that I'm using and it's called 01:34:55.180 --> 01:35:03.660 Starry Night Pro and I've used a lot of different astronomical software and this is by far the best 01:35:03.660 --> 01:35:10.940 one. So if you have a few hundred bucks burning a hole in your pocket and you're really into astronomy, 01:35:11.500 --> 01:35:17.500 this is the one that I would recommend. And so right now it's just showing like the daytime in 01:35:17.500 --> 01:35:23.900 Phoenix because that's what time it is right now, 11.35 a.m. and you can see up here in the corner 01:35:24.460 --> 01:35:32.060 March 29th, 2024, etc. Phoenix, Arizona. So I'm going to go ahead and set the location 01:35:32.700 --> 01:35:40.860 to Jerusalem and then we're going to wind back this clock all the way to 30 AD. And I've already 01:35:40.860 --> 01:35:45.740 got that saved in the favorites so I'm just going to pull it up as a favorite and just go there. 01:35:47.420 --> 01:35:57.580 Okay, so here we are. We've just time traveled to Jerusalem, AD 30, March 22nd. This is the day 01:35:58.220 --> 01:36:04.380 of the conjunction according to Dr. Humphrey's data and as you can see here in the simulation, 01:36:04.380 --> 01:36:10.460 I've sped it up to 500 times speed so that we can see things happen. You can see here that the 01:36:10.460 --> 01:36:17.100 moon and the sun are moving together, okay, because that's what the very definition of the 01:36:17.100 --> 01:36:24.220 conjunction is that these things are happening at the same time. And so as we see the sun set, 01:36:24.220 --> 01:36:29.420 we're also seeing the moon set and here's the important point to note. By the time the sun is 01:36:29.420 --> 01:36:35.180 below the horizon and it's dark enough to where you could see the moon, well guess what? The moon 01:36:35.180 --> 01:36:41.100 is also below the horizon. This is why it is impossible to see the new moon on the day of the 01:36:41.100 --> 01:36:46.860 conjunction itself. Now in order to declare the new month, remember in the Bible they blow the 01:36:46.860 --> 01:36:51.500 trumpet on the new moon and they declare the new moon. They are not on a solar calendar, they're 01:36:51.500 --> 01:36:58.540 on a lunar calendar. In order to declare the new month, you have to see the new moon. They can't 01:36:58.540 --> 01:37:04.860 see it on March 22nd and this is where a lot of the charts and articles online screw this up. 01:37:04.860 --> 01:37:10.060 They start counting sometimes from the date of the conjunction. That's not the new moon. 01:37:10.780 --> 01:37:17.340 From, you know, scientifically you can call that a new moon, but from a perspective of, you know, 01:37:17.340 --> 01:37:22.220 people declaring a new month based on seeing a new moon in the sky, it can't be the day of the 01:37:22.220 --> 01:37:28.540 conjunction. It has to be the next day, okay? So if we go to the next day, we go to the 23rd of March, 01:37:28.540 --> 01:37:33.580 now you can see that there's a little bit of space between the moon and the sun. Now you still can't 01:37:33.580 --> 01:37:39.100 see the moon when the sun's out because the sun is overpowering the moon, but what you're going to 01:37:39.100 --> 01:37:47.020 see is that when the sun goes down before the moon is all the way below the horizon, 01:37:48.460 --> 01:37:55.820 you can see that it's dark enough to see the moon. And so like I'm looking at in the simulation 01:37:56.460 --> 01:38:01.340 and maybe you at home may not be able to see it as well because of the lower resolution of being 01:38:01.340 --> 01:38:07.020 live streamed and getting blurry and stuff, but from where I'm sitting, I'm looking at the simulator 01:38:07.020 --> 01:38:12.620 and I can clearly see the outline of the moon, which makes sense because at this time right here, 01:38:14.700 --> 01:38:21.340 can I zoom in? Yeah, I can try. Yeah, let me try. I mean, yeah, I mean, I can see it clear as day. 01:38:21.340 --> 01:38:25.660 You can kind of see it. There you go. See there, you can kind of see it now. I mean, there it is. 01:38:25.660 --> 01:38:31.100 You can see a circle on the screen. It's probably clearer on my screen, but the point is that 01:38:31.100 --> 01:38:40.940 at seven, excuse me, at five fifty five p.m., you know, the sun is low enough below the horizon 01:38:40.940 --> 01:38:46.140 and the moon's high enough at the horizon where you can see it. Even at this point, if we fast 01:38:46.140 --> 01:38:52.060 forward to five fifty eight p.m. and we have the sun below the horizon, half the moon's above the 01:38:52.060 --> 01:38:57.340 horizon, they don't have to see the whole thing, folks. All they have to do is see the moon at all. 01:38:57.340 --> 01:39:03.260 So how many minutes is that? Excuse me? How many minutes is that approximately that we kind of get 01:39:03.260 --> 01:39:09.180 this view where it can be seen? Is it like 10 minutes, five minutes? Well, based on this, 01:39:09.180 --> 01:39:17.420 based on the simulator, you know, it starts actually being visible, like around, you know, 01:39:17.420 --> 01:39:24.860 vaguely visible around like, you know, five, five thirty approximately. Okay. And then like it's 01:39:24.860 --> 01:39:29.980 totally gone in the simulation, like a half hour later. So it's like a nice half hour window 01:39:30.860 --> 01:39:35.740 where you'd be able to see it. And what you have to keep in mind, people, is that the people who 01:39:35.740 --> 01:39:40.860 are looking for this thing are experts in astronomy. They already know that the conjunction 01:39:40.860 --> 01:39:48.300 happened on the previous day. Right. They're already aware of that. Well, but not only did they 01:39:48.300 --> 01:39:54.540 not see it, they also mathematically know exactly where the sun and the moon are going to be. 01:39:54.540 --> 01:40:00.140 They're doing the geometry. These guys are experts. Astronomy was already pretty advanced, 01:40:00.140 --> 01:40:04.460 even at the time of Christ. And so they, you know, they knew when eclipses were going to happen. 01:40:04.460 --> 01:40:09.340 They knew. Yeah. The wise men studied the stars to find Jesus Christ and they had found the 01:40:10.060 --> 01:40:15.980 North Star or the star that basically led them to Christ. So obviously, obviously the Bible 01:40:15.980 --> 01:40:23.820 testifies to astronomy being a field of study that's really important even at that specific 01:40:23.820 --> 01:40:29.260 time. And of course, if your calendar is based on a lunar calendar, they probably already know 01:40:29.260 --> 01:40:36.060 all the days already. They're just, this is the last double check to all the other systems in place. 01:40:37.340 --> 01:40:42.140 They're super into it. And it's kind of a technicality of just like, well, we need to see 01:40:42.140 --> 01:40:48.300 it in the sky. So they have people that are just literally staring at the sky, wanting to see it. 01:40:49.260 --> 01:40:54.620 And they know mathematically that it's there. And so that's what they do. Now, just for comparison, 01:40:54.620 --> 01:41:02.940 let's go to the 24th. Okay. If we go to the 24th, then yeah, obviously you can see it by a mile. 01:41:02.940 --> 01:41:12.300 I mean, it's really clear, super clear in the sky that it's pitch black outside and the moon is still 01:41:13.180 --> 01:41:18.620 way above the horizon. So there's no question that it's seen by a mile on the 24th. 01:41:19.740 --> 01:41:25.980 But the question is, did they see it on the 23rd? If they see it on the 23rd at all, 01:41:26.780 --> 01:41:36.060 then that means that it's a Thursday Passover for AD 30. And it's a perfect year for Christ to be 01:41:36.060 --> 01:41:42.300 crucified in AD 30. Because then that would mean that Jesus Christ, if he was born, as Michael 01:41:42.300 --> 01:41:52.700 Molnar says on April 17th, 6 BC, then that would make Jesus 34 years old when he dies on the cross 01:41:52.700 --> 01:42:00.220 in AD 30. This would mean that his ministry is three and a half years going from the 15th year 01:42:00.220 --> 01:42:05.660 of Tiberius reign, if we accept that Tiberius Caesar began reigning in 12 AD when he became 01:42:05.660 --> 01:42:11.500 co-prinkeps. Then we have a perfect three and a half year ministry for Jesus. We have Jesus being 01:42:11.500 --> 01:42:19.100 about 31 years old, 30 to 31 when he's baptized. And remember, the Bible doesn't say he was exactly 01:42:19.100 --> 01:42:28.220 30, it says about 30. So 30, 31, 31 is about 30. Is 34 about 30? Not really. Okay. 01:42:28.220 --> 01:42:33.100 So when we look at this chart of dates, just to kind of bring it back to what we were saying 01:42:33.100 --> 01:42:36.300 earlier, because you've shared a lot of information that's probably new to a lot of people. 01:42:36.940 --> 01:42:44.620 This chart specifically has the year 3080 as Friday. But then if you look at the far right, 01:42:44.620 --> 01:42:51.100 where it says April 7th, it has two big plus signs or two cross hairs there. And those cross hairs 01:42:51.100 --> 01:42:57.180 are denoted in a comment down below, which even says in the specific chart, like, well, 01:42:57.820 --> 01:43:02.220 it could have actually been Thursday, it could have been the day before. And what you're trying 01:43:02.220 --> 01:43:09.820 to show is that from an astronomical software, where we kind of go back in time and try to look 01:43:09.820 --> 01:43:14.940 at how the sun and moon would have coincided, that it's very plausible and very realistic 01:43:15.500 --> 01:43:20.940 that they had a window to have seen the new moon on the day that would have started the calendar 01:43:20.940 --> 01:43:27.660 for Nissan that year. And it would have put the 14th day at Thursday. So what you're saying is 01:43:27.660 --> 01:43:32.940 confirming this chart. It's just that the conclusion of this chart is wrong. They're thinking it was 01:43:32.940 --> 01:43:38.300 Friday, and they're trying to use that justify good Friday. Whereas we're saying, yeah, the science 01:43:38.300 --> 01:43:43.980 and the data is right. But we think it's actually Thursday, this chart should say Thursday there, 01:43:43.980 --> 01:43:49.820 or should maybe just say Thursday slash Friday to be a little clearer, as far as possibilities. 01:43:50.460 --> 01:43:56.140 And then again, when you study that with all the other dates about Christ's birth, the 15th year of 01:43:56.140 --> 01:44:01.500 the reign of Tiberius, you study when John the Baptist goes out preaching, we compare that with 01:44:01.500 --> 01:44:07.340 the age of Jesus Christ being about 30 years old, and just all the other events, Herod's death, 01:44:08.300 --> 01:44:14.540 and just basically all of the history that we have, pretty much it kind of leads to a 30 AD 01:44:14.540 --> 01:44:20.060 period of time. And it still fits exactly with a Thursday view. Is that a good summary? 01:44:20.060 --> 01:44:24.380 Is there? Yeah, I'm trying to make sure that people at home are probably thinking like, 01:44:24.380 --> 01:44:28.140 I don't know what you just said, but I'm trying to explain it. 01:44:28.140 --> 01:44:34.220 I hope it was clear. But 30 is the sweet spot. And if you pull up that chart again, 01:44:34.220 --> 01:44:39.900 okay, because 30 is the sweet spot, make it nice and big, perfect. If you look at it, 01:44:40.700 --> 01:44:47.020 29 is a Monday. That's not going to work in anybody's view. 28 is a Tuesday. Not going to work. 01:44:48.300 --> 01:44:53.740 27, you're getting too early. You're really pushing it at that point. It's possible, 01:44:53.740 --> 01:45:01.180 but it's extremely unlikely that 27 is going to work because of Tiberius Caesar's 15th year in that. 01:45:02.300 --> 01:45:05.820 So you're already pushing it. And then if you start going later, 31, 01:45:06.460 --> 01:45:12.620 Tuesday is not going to work. 32, Sunday is not going to work. Now the Friday people, 01:45:13.180 --> 01:45:19.340 many of them really like this AD 33 view for the Friday crowd. But in my opinion, 01:45:19.340 --> 01:45:25.980 it's just too late. If you have Christ being born in 6 BC, which virtually everyone agrees upon that, 01:45:27.180 --> 01:45:31.500 there's a lot of data to back that up. And then Michael Monar with the Star of Bethlehem, 01:45:31.500 --> 01:45:35.180 that's just icing on the cake. But historically, if you think about it, 01:45:35.180 --> 01:45:40.300 if Herod died in 4 BC, he's killing the children from two years old and upward. 01:45:40.300 --> 01:45:49.100 So that would mean that Christ has to be born in 6 BC or earlier. And 6 BC works out well with other 01:45:49.100 --> 01:45:57.820 things. And so therefore, getting into 33 AD is really pushing the timeline. I feel like 34 is 01:45:57.820 --> 01:46:04.140 even pushing it even more, which is why, again, I feel like this astronomical data 01:46:05.420 --> 01:46:13.660 favors Thursday more than Wednesday, because the only possible Thursday or Wednesday is AD 30. 01:46:14.220 --> 01:46:20.380 Because in AD 30, even though it says Friday on the chart, remember, the data is right. Nobody's 01:46:20.380 --> 01:46:27.020 arguing about the scientific data. The new moon happened. If we go to the US Navy Observatory data, 01:46:27.580 --> 01:46:32.540 it's going to have the exact same data within a few minutes. I think they're like 10 minutes 01:46:32.540 --> 01:46:38.300 different than this. But it's still that evening of the 22nd that the conjunction takes place. 01:46:39.660 --> 01:46:46.460 And so again, if the conjunction takes place on the 22nd, you're not seeing it on the 22nd. 01:46:46.460 --> 01:46:53.900 You're going to see it on the next day. The next day is the new moon. What this chart is saying is 01:46:54.540 --> 01:46:59.500 well, I don't think they would have seen it because the sun is just going down and the moon's only 01:46:59.500 --> 01:47:03.420 there on the horizon for a few minutes. I don't think they'd see it. My point of view is that 01:47:03.420 --> 01:47:09.180 they're staring at the horizon. And yes, they did see it. And I'm looking at the software and I can 01:47:09.180 --> 01:47:16.540 see it plainly for a half hour. And again, obviously, physically being there is not exactly 01:47:16.540 --> 01:47:21.500 the same as the simulator. But this simulator is pretty stinkin' accurate. Well, and here's the 01:47:21.500 --> 01:47:26.460 thing, somebody that might be a little skeptical when we're talking about astronomy, but here's the 01:47:26.460 --> 01:47:33.580 thing. God gave us specifically the sun, moon and stars for the seasons and the times. And because 01:47:33.580 --> 01:47:41.420 of their accuracy and consistency, to me, it's a testimony of God, how he could create these heavenly 01:47:41.420 --> 01:47:47.420 bodies that have such accuracy and such consistency and that we can follow them and it helps us 01:47:47.420 --> 01:47:53.580 actually calculate things. April 8th, there's going to be a solar eclipse in the Dallas-Fort Worth 01:47:53.580 --> 01:47:58.140 area. And people are already scheduling for this. Look, this hasn't even happened yet, 01:47:58.140 --> 01:48:03.020 but they know exactly and they can even draw, there's like maps where they draw the exact lines 01:48:03.020 --> 01:48:08.460 of where people are going to be seeing these things, the exact time. So again, we can, with 01:48:08.460 --> 01:48:13.100 very close certainty, measure these things. Additionally, from a historical perspective, 01:48:13.100 --> 01:48:19.740 people have written about and marked down and tracked all kinds of different solar and lunar 01:48:19.740 --> 01:48:26.700 events throughout history. And then what happens is people use these softwares to basically go back 01:48:26.700 --> 01:48:30.620 in time and they're like, hey, this matches exactly what the historical record says. This 01:48:30.620 --> 01:48:39.100 matches exactly what other individuals have written about. And so again, it's not a huge leap of faith 01:48:39.100 --> 01:48:42.940 to understand that since God literally created these heavenly bodies for time, 01:48:42.940 --> 01:48:47.820 that they are consistent and that we can actually wind back the clock and we can see 01:48:47.820 --> 01:48:51.660 these events. Let me explain this one more time. Let's go to his screen. 01:48:53.180 --> 01:49:00.220 So I'm showing this spreadsheet because I want to just make sure that everybody at home understands 01:49:00.220 --> 01:49:06.300 what's going on. Okay. So basically this is what everybody agrees on right here, 01:49:06.300 --> 01:49:11.900 conjunction happening on March 22nd, right? That's what all the data points do, 01:49:11.900 --> 01:49:17.660 no matter what astronomer we talk to, the software confirms it. The conjunction took place on March 01:49:17.660 --> 01:49:28.540 22nd, right? Then it's on the evening of the 23rd. On the evening of the 23rd, okay, I'm saying 01:49:29.420 --> 01:49:35.660 that you saw the new moon. They're saying, no, no, we don't think they could see it on that day. 01:49:35.660 --> 01:49:43.020 We think they saw it on the 24th. So if you saw it on the 24th, well then that means if it's the 01:49:43.020 --> 01:49:48.860 night of the 24th you saw it, then that means the 25th is the first of Nissan, right? And if the 01:49:48.860 --> 01:49:53.900 25th is the first, 26th is the second, boom, boom, boom, boom, we count down. And then that's where 01:49:53.900 --> 01:50:03.580 they're getting this Nissan 14 being on April 7th, Friday in AD 30. Okay. Whereas what I'm saying is, 01:50:03.580 --> 01:50:12.700 no, actually we saw it on the 23rd, which means that the first is actually the 24th. 01:50:13.660 --> 01:50:24.460 And then what that puts it to is actually Thursday, the 6th is actually that. So if you're seeing 01:50:25.340 --> 01:50:29.740 the new moon on this day, which is the actual new moon date, because if the conjunction happened on 01:50:29.740 --> 01:50:38.380 the 22nd, 23rd is when we should see it. They're just saying, nah, I couldn't see it. I disagree 01:50:38.380 --> 01:50:44.700 and the simulation disagrees. So I don't know if that helps a little bit. And then maybe I can just 01:50:44.700 --> 01:50:51.020 quickly go back to my astronomy window and just show it one more time. Because I feel like- 01:50:51.020 --> 01:50:55.020 Yeah, I think so. I think this is something that people are so new, they can go back and forth a 01:50:55.020 --> 01:50:58.700 couple of times so people can kind of see and then they get a better picture of what we're talking 01:50:58.700 --> 01:51:03.260 about here. Because again- Yeah, it's a new concept. It probably wouldn't hurt to hear it a couple 01:51:03.260 --> 01:51:10.220 times. Right. Okay. So, boom. And again, we talk about seeing it, but we have to think about the 01:51:10.220 --> 01:51:15.100 fact that these people were anticipating this. They would have been looking for this and wanting 01:51:15.100 --> 01:51:19.740 to see this. They would have known that this would have been the correct date to have subscribed to 01:51:19.740 --> 01:51:26.620 that. And so it makes sense that they're staring at the horizon while the sun's setting, recognizing 01:51:26.620 --> 01:51:30.060 it's going to be difficult to see the new moon. They have a 30-minute window to see it. As soon 01:51:30.060 --> 01:51:35.420 as they see it, they mark it. Yep, we saw it. Check mark, blow the trumpet, and we're going to 01:51:35.420 --> 01:51:43.900 start our next calendar for Nissan. Yeah. Mathematically, they want it to be on the 23rd 01:51:43.900 --> 01:51:50.220 because they know that the conjunction is happening on the 22nd. And so, boom, here we are, 01:51:50.220 --> 01:51:58.860 8030, Jerusalem, Israel, March 22nd, and boom. Look, you can see the moon is right there with 01:51:58.860 --> 01:52:03.420 the sun. Now, they're not exactly lined up because if they were lined up, then you'd have a solar 01:52:03.420 --> 01:52:12.380 eclipse. You can see how it's off to the side, but it's in line in the sense that there's no way that 01:52:12.380 --> 01:52:18.060 you could see it on that day because by the time the sun is down, the moon's way below the horizon. 01:52:18.300 --> 01:52:29.900 We go to the next day, 23rd, and boom. We have the sun down before the moon, and you can clearly see 01:52:29.900 --> 01:52:36.380 the circle outline there. And again, it's not going to be as clear for the people at home just 01:52:36.380 --> 01:52:43.740 because of the constraints of the internet and so forth. But on the software itself, the way I'm 01:52:43.740 --> 01:52:50.300 looking at it, it's visible for like a half hour. But the key thing to notice is just the location. 01:52:52.060 --> 01:52:58.940 Look at the sun, folks. Look how far the sun is below the horizon, and boom, the moon is still 01:52:58.940 --> 01:53:07.020 above the horizon. So it's not highly improbable at all to think that they saw it. Then if we fast 01:53:07.020 --> 01:53:14.380 forward to the 24th, which is the day that they're proposing it would be seen, if we go to the 24th, 01:53:14.380 --> 01:53:20.780 then yeah, the sun's way down, and you're just seeing it by a mile. I mean, it's just way up 01:53:20.780 --> 01:53:26.220 there in the sky, pitch black. You can easily see the circle and so forth. 01:53:27.660 --> 01:53:29.660 So I hope that this is understandable. 01:53:29.660 --> 01:53:34.540 You were bringing up the conjunction, and a conjunction is by definition something being 01:53:34.540 --> 01:53:40.300 joined. So what he's talking about is the path of the moon and the sun are joined together to where 01:53:40.300 --> 01:53:44.300 you're not able to really see the moon at all because of the brilliancy of the sun. 01:53:45.820 --> 01:53:50.540 The next day, they're not as close together. They're not as conjoined. They're not as 01:53:50.540 --> 01:53:54.860 similar paths. There's a little bit of separation, and that separation affords, 01:53:55.500 --> 01:54:00.060 based on the simulation, about a 30-minute window. I would be content with a five-minute window 01:54:00.060 --> 01:54:05.180 because I would assume, again, they're staring at it, waiting for it. They're ready to go. 01:54:05.180 --> 01:54:10.220 Again, it's just kind of a check mark. We already know this day is the right day. 01:54:10.220 --> 01:54:14.460 We're just kind of waiting, and we got to make sure to do our due diligence to see the particular 01:54:14.460 --> 01:54:19.420 new moon, and then we'll blow the trumpet. But it's not something that they're just willy-nilly like, 01:54:19.420 --> 01:54:23.260 oh, we were drinking and we forgot, or we were busy, or using the bathroom. 01:54:23.260 --> 01:54:28.060 Yeah. Hey, somebody noticed. Somebody looked outside and they noticed it's a new moon. Somebody 01:54:28.060 --> 01:54:34.300 blew the trumpet. Someone do something. They're literally professional astronomers staring at the 01:54:34.300 --> 01:54:39.420 sky looking for the new moon, and they know that it's supposed to be there on that day, 01:54:39.420 --> 01:54:45.260 and that theoretically it could be seen. All they have to do is catch a glimpse of even part of it. 01:54:45.820 --> 01:54:52.940 If they see it, it's the new moon. The word conjunction is a term that's just used whenever 01:54:52.940 --> 01:54:58.460 heavenly bodies are lined up in an interesting way. You'll hear people talk about, hey, 01:54:58.460 --> 01:55:02.860 tonight there's going to be a really interesting conjunction because you go outside and you'll see 01:55:02.860 --> 01:55:08.460 the planets lined up or lined up with the moon or something. Just some kind of a cool alignment. 01:55:09.020 --> 01:55:15.260 When we talk about the conjunction taking place on March 22nd at 7.55 p.m., we're just saying that's 01:55:15.260 --> 01:55:22.460 when the Earth, Moon, and Sun are aligned. Here's the thing. In the course of a month, 01:55:23.260 --> 01:55:29.980 we go through the whole cycle. When half the month goes by, instead of it being aligned as like, 01:55:30.620 --> 01:55:36.860 here's the Earth, here's the moon, here's the sun, by the time half the month goes by, 01:55:36.860 --> 01:55:42.460 now the moon's on the opposite side because it takes a month for the moon to go through its cycle. 01:55:42.460 --> 01:55:46.700 So when the moon's on the opposite side of the Earth, then you have the full moon. 01:55:47.500 --> 01:55:52.460 That's a conjunction as well. The difference is that on the exact day of the full moon, 01:55:52.460 --> 01:55:59.020 we can see the full moon because it's fully illuminated in the sky. It's beautiful. We see it. 01:55:59.740 --> 01:56:06.060 We can't actually see the new moon during the conjunction because it's lined up with the sun 01:56:06.060 --> 01:56:12.300 and the sun is overpowering it. Because on the full moon, the moon and sun are on opposite sides 01:56:12.300 --> 01:56:21.580 of the Earth. So that's why the full moon rises at sunset, whereas the new moon rises at dawn 01:56:21.580 --> 01:56:26.300 and it's actually setting at sunset because it's moving with the sun. 01:56:27.580 --> 01:56:32.540 You can't see it because it's overpowered by the sun. So the full moon, you're seeing it on the 01:56:32.540 --> 01:56:37.020 exact day of the full moon, exact day of the conjunction, whereas the new moon, the soonest 01:56:37.020 --> 01:56:43.740 you can see it is the day after the conjunction. Which is exactly what happened in AD 30, 01:56:43.740 --> 01:56:48.940 it's on March 23rd. Yeah. Every time you use that word conjunction, I'm thinking of conjunction, 01:56:49.420 --> 01:56:53.900 what's your function from Schoolhouse Rock. So I thought it was good that we would bring up the 01:56:53.900 --> 01:56:58.380 right definition of what we're talking about here. But I think that that's pretty clear, 01:56:58.380 --> 01:57:05.100 especially going through it many times, kind of showing that. And again, this is just another 01:57:05.100 --> 01:57:12.700 nail in the coffin of a Wednesday view in a sense, just because of the fact that there really isn't 01:57:12.700 --> 01:57:18.620 a strong option for Wednesday. You could argue for Friday and again, that's what they did, 01:57:18.620 --> 01:57:23.420 but you can tell that they're kind of stretching the data to get to Friday. They're not necessarily 01:57:23.420 --> 01:57:28.380 even going with what should be the correct day. They're saying like, well, it was kind of a hard 01:57:28.380 --> 01:57:34.860 event to see that day. So we theorize that it's most likely a Friday when it really just kind of 01:57:34.860 --> 01:57:40.620 fits Thursday. And to me, it's that Catholic doctrine poisoning the mind of people that did 01:57:40.620 --> 01:57:44.780 really good calculations. And they did all the right calculations, but then they just had to 01:57:44.780 --> 01:57:53.420 squeeze out Friday and try to figure it out. Just to be clear though, that the guy who did this chart 01:57:53.420 --> 01:58:00.620 and who did these calculations, Dr. Humphreys, he's pushing for specifically AD 33. He actually 01:58:00.620 --> 01:58:10.940 prefers AD 33, but a lot of other people really like that AD 30 date because AD 30 works way better 01:58:10.940 --> 01:58:19.180 than AD 33. Just with all things being considered, AD 30 is the best date, especially if you realize 01:58:19.180 --> 01:58:27.020 that Tiberius Caesar is co-print caps starting in AD 12. Then everything falls into place. 01:58:27.100 --> 01:58:32.380 I don't like the AD 33 year at all because of the fact that it just makes Jesus way too old. 01:58:33.100 --> 01:58:39.020 Right. And he's not about 30. If he's 33, 34 years old, that's kind of a stretch. Whereas, 01:58:39.980 --> 01:58:46.860 according to our view, he's like 30 or 31 years old. 31 years old is perfect for being about 30. 01:58:47.420 --> 01:58:56.940 And so the AD 33 though is popular with the Friday crowd. And if it was AD 33, it has to be a Friday 01:58:56.940 --> 01:59:01.740 so it's off the table for those of us who believe in Matthew 1240, three days and three nights. 01:59:02.540 --> 01:59:10.380 Whereas, AD 30 is favored by a lot of Friday people as well. But again, they're wrong because 01:59:10.380 --> 01:59:14.060 as we looked at the astronomy, it's actually AD 30. It was on a Thursday that year. 01:59:14.860 --> 01:59:17.420 Which again, when you talk about Tiberius- 01:59:17.420 --> 01:59:19.820 If people try to Google this- Excuse me? 01:59:19.820 --> 01:59:20.860 I'm sorry. Go ahead. 01:59:21.820 --> 01:59:26.860 I was just going to say if people try to Google this to fact check me, let me just warn you, 01:59:26.860 --> 01:59:31.820 you're going to find dates all over the place. You're going to find every possible date for 01:59:31.820 --> 01:59:35.980 every possible past or for every possible year because people don't understand the astronomy 01:59:35.980 --> 01:59:40.140 and they don't know what they're talking about. And that's why the data is just all over the place. 01:59:40.140 --> 01:59:48.380 If you actually go to reliable scholarly sources, you will find that the day of the conjunction 01:59:49.340 --> 01:59:55.260 is consistent in the scholarly data. It's also consistent with the simulator. 01:59:56.380 --> 02:00:00.780 And it's just a matter of interpreting that data. So don't just try to Google some random article 02:00:00.780 --> 02:00:06.300 to fact check me on this. You go to the actual scholarly sources, the actual data, and know how 02:00:06.300 --> 02:00:11.100 to interpret it, you're going to come to the same conclusion I've come to. Now, if you want to make 02:00:11.100 --> 02:00:16.380 the argument that they didn't see it during that 30-minute window because it was still too bright 02:00:16.460 --> 02:00:23.100 from the sun glowing a little bit there, well, okay, that's your prerogative. But based on the 02:00:23.100 --> 02:00:29.180 simulator and based on my opinion and my own personal observations of just looking at new 02:00:29.180 --> 02:00:33.820 moons over the years, because we've all seen it. I mean, we've all gone outside and seen new moons 02:00:33.820 --> 02:00:39.820 at sundown. While the sun is still glowing a little bit, there's still a bit of glow in the sky 02:00:39.820 --> 02:00:42.940 and we see that new moon. Right? I know I've seen it. 02:00:43.900 --> 02:00:48.220 And when we talk about the Tiberius issue, I wanted to bring this up because someone might 02:00:48.220 --> 02:00:54.460 try to fact check that and say, oh, well, he started raining in 14 AD, but you brought up 02:00:54.460 --> 02:01:00.940 that he's co-princeps, I don't know how to pronounce the word properly, but co-princeps or 02:01:00.940 --> 02:01:06.060 however you want to say that, but he's basically co-raining with Caesar Augustus. And here's the 02:01:06.060 --> 02:01:12.220 reality. The reason why he's co-raining is because Augustus is sick and ill and can't rain. And so, 02:01:12.300 --> 02:01:17.100 if you look at just even the Wikipedia article about it, they make it clear that, yeah, prior to 02:01:17.100 --> 02:01:24.780 this in around 12 AD, back after a military campaign, Tiberius basically receives co-joining 02:01:25.740 --> 02:01:31.500 ruling status. And he's basically the default ruler for the time period that Augustus is sick 02:01:31.500 --> 02:01:36.300 and ill. So, it wouldn't make any sense that if he rules for two years while this other guy's sick, 02:01:36.300 --> 02:01:41.980 ill and not able to do much, and then he finally dies, it's like, oh, now your rain starts, 02:01:41.980 --> 02:01:46.700 this is the first year. He'd be like, no, no, this is my third year raining, which is why we 02:01:46.700 --> 02:01:55.580 get the 15 years plus 12 is 27 AD. And again, that gives approximately three and a half, almost four 02:01:55.580 --> 02:02:01.580 years forward. It doesn't even have to be 27 AD. It could even be 26 AD if you count inclusively. 02:02:01.580 --> 02:02:06.220 Right. If you count 12 as the first year, right? Sure. If you count inclusively, it could be 02:02:06.220 --> 02:02:14.700 26 AD, which gives a good, nice, solid, and I would say that it's 26 AD when John the Baptist 02:02:14.700 --> 02:02:20.300 starts his ministry, because then maybe let's say Jesus doesn't get baptized immediately when John 02:02:20.300 --> 02:02:27.500 starts his ministry. Maybe he gets baptized months later. So, I agree with you. So, it's a perfect 02:02:28.220 --> 02:02:36.620 like three and a half year ministry for Jesus, and Jesus dies at age 34. So, Jesus dies at 34 02:02:36.620 --> 02:02:44.060 years of age, because if his birthday is April 17th, and if he's crucified on April 6th, then he's 02:02:44.060 --> 02:02:51.740 about to turn 35, but he's only 34. Yeah. Yeah. And again, I agree with your counting there, 02:02:51.740 --> 02:02:58.380 because it's similar to how you count the feast called the Passover, because while it's 14th day 02:02:58.380 --> 02:03:03.100 to this 21st day, that sounds like simple math at seven, but it's actually eight days. So, like you 02:03:03.100 --> 02:03:09.980 said, if we're starting in 12 AD, if you count up 15, it would actually be AD 26, giving us 02:03:09.980 --> 02:03:15.820 approximately maybe a year for John the Baptist, and then three and a half years for Jesus Christ. 02:03:15.820 --> 02:03:20.060 So, that definitely... Yeah. I think most people would say, 02:03:22.220 --> 02:03:25.820 it's either like three or six months that people usually say for like, 02:03:25.820 --> 02:03:32.220 how long John the Baptist ministry is going before Christ jumps in. Takes over. Right. Exactly. So, 02:03:32.220 --> 02:03:36.700 again... Gets baptized. I think that that's really interesting. That's something that I didn't... 02:03:36.700 --> 02:03:43.340 That was not a part of my decision making. I totally had converted and changed my mind 02:03:43.340 --> 02:03:48.940 on this specific chart and the timing before all this. But I know that during my process of trying 02:03:48.940 --> 02:03:53.420 to talk with you and convince you, this was something that you're bringing up. It was something 02:03:53.420 --> 02:03:58.860 that you were studying at the time. And so, I researched it as well. And I will totally confirm 02:03:58.860 --> 02:04:04.940 that I could find dozens of articles that say all kinds of crazy dates about all these different 02:04:04.940 --> 02:04:08.860 things. But there are plenty that do agree with what you're saying. There's plenty of articles that 02:04:08.860 --> 02:04:16.060 do say specifically 30 AD or bring up that being a timeline for Thursday. So, it's not like this is 02:04:16.060 --> 02:04:21.340 a minority view or anything like that. It's actually probably, at least within reputable sources, 02:04:21.340 --> 02:04:26.300 the prevailing view. It's just that there's a lot of trash on the internet because people want to 02:04:26.300 --> 02:04:31.340 fit all kinds of weird Jewish conspiracies or their crazy doctrines. Yeah. And again, I just... 02:04:31.340 --> 02:04:37.580 I want to emphasize to the viewer at home the importance of knowing how to do research 02:04:38.380 --> 02:04:45.100 and knowing what is a reliable source, what is not. And also, if someone's citing a reliable source, 02:04:46.060 --> 02:04:50.300 you need to actually look that up because a lot of times people will cite a reliable source. 02:04:50.300 --> 02:04:53.900 And what they're saying is not what that source says. They've twisted the data, 02:04:53.900 --> 02:05:00.380 they've corrupted it, they're quoting it wrong, whatever. You've got to learn to discern what is 02:05:00.380 --> 02:05:06.300 reliable, what is not, and then go to the actual fountainhead, go to the actual sources yourself. 02:05:06.300 --> 02:05:11.740 And if you can, fact check these things yourself. Also, even when you're looking at a reliable 02:05:11.740 --> 02:05:18.460 source, you have to be able to differentiate between that which is solid data and that which 02:05:18.460 --> 02:05:25.500 is the conclusion being drawn from the data. And when it comes to... We talked about creation a few 02:05:25.500 --> 02:05:35.980 weeks back and I personally, I enjoyed the film, Is Genesis History? Yeah. That documentary film. 02:05:37.020 --> 02:05:42.780 And it was a lot of scientists that believed in the Bible and believed in creation and stuff like 02:05:42.780 --> 02:05:47.740 that. And what they brought up a few times was that a lot of times we're looking at the same data, 02:05:48.620 --> 02:05:54.380 it's just we're interpreting the data differently. And so you have to be able to differentiate 02:05:54.380 --> 02:06:03.820 between what is the data? That's the conjunction time, 7.55 PM, March 22nd, versus the deduced 02:06:04.780 --> 02:06:15.180 date of 14 Nissan. That's a few steps removed of somebody giving their opinion and whatever. 02:06:15.180 --> 02:06:21.500 And so we can all agree on the astronomical data. The astronomical data is incredibly accurate, 02:06:21.500 --> 02:06:28.460 like within five minutes or something, 10 minutes or something. And so there's no question about 02:06:28.460 --> 02:06:32.620 the conjunction happening on March 22nd. It's just a matter of interpretation of, 02:06:32.620 --> 02:06:41.900 did they see it on the 23rd? We can't really know 100% for sure either way. And so that's like, 02:06:41.900 --> 02:06:46.460 is it Thursday? Is it Friday? But if the Bible teaches it's Thursday though, 02:06:46.460 --> 02:06:52.700 then it must have been Thursday. Well, and again, in your creation discussion that we had with Dr. 02:06:52.700 --> 02:06:57.900 Hovind, you kept drawing on the board, like all these data points and then a line going through 02:06:57.900 --> 02:07:02.540 them. And you're talking about extrapolating the data outside of the data points. But when we talk 02:07:02.540 --> 02:07:08.940 about these astronomy things, we actually have tons of data points in the future and in the past 02:07:09.500 --> 02:07:15.500 that we use to correlate and it's always matching exactly. So we actually have a lot of calibration. 02:07:15.500 --> 02:07:19.180 So this is much different than something like radiometric dating or carbon dating, 02:07:19.180 --> 02:07:24.620 where many times when they have known samples or even very close to known sample ages and they come 02:07:24.620 --> 02:07:30.460 up with wild dates, well, that doesn't present itself as a very exact science. Whereas like you 02:07:30.460 --> 02:07:35.500 said, with this astronomy calculation, they're pretty much always getting things within a pretty 02:07:35.500 --> 02:07:40.940 small window of error, five, 10 minutes or something like that, to where we can really 02:07:40.940 --> 02:07:46.700 actually wind back the clock and push it forward with a certain degree of certainty with a lot of 02:07:46.700 --> 02:07:51.100 accuracy. And even the events that we're going to see in the future, we're pretty much nailing them. 02:07:51.100 --> 02:07:55.100 I mean, we got it exactly. We're going to have a solar eclipse here. We know about it. This isn't 02:07:55.100 --> 02:08:00.380 like some pseudo science or something, or you have to believe some conspiracy of the government, 02:08:00.380 --> 02:08:05.260 like the government's doing something to manipulate the sky. It's like, nope, this is just literally 02:08:05.260 --> 02:08:09.180 a solar eclipse. It's going to happen. And there's lunar eclipse. There's all kinds of different 02:08:09.180 --> 02:08:14.860 things, the blood moons and stuff. Well, there's a cool story. And think about, this is going back 02:08:15.500 --> 02:08:21.420 like 500 years. There's a cool story where Christopher Columbus, he was trying to kind of 02:08:21.420 --> 02:08:27.900 get the Indians to submit and do what he wanted. So he told them like, hey, God's mad at you guys. 02:08:27.900 --> 02:08:33.180 And like, he's going to darken the sun on this day and whatever. And it was really just because 02:08:33.180 --> 02:08:37.820 he had some almanac telling him when the eclipses were going to happen. And this is, think about, 02:08:38.460 --> 02:08:44.860 Columbus sailed in 1492. It's a long time ago. Think about how much more advanced astronomy has 02:08:44.860 --> 02:08:50.620 become in the last 500 years with computers and just so much more advanced. We're probably 02:08:50.620 --> 02:08:57.180 literally shoulder those people. Exactly. And he predicted this eclipse. And then the Indians were 02:08:57.180 --> 02:09:03.420 super freaked out, like, oh man, like, how did you know? And so it's a God story from history. 02:09:04.060 --> 02:09:09.980 But like you said, we're not extra, now, if we tried to say, well, this is what the sky looked 02:09:09.980 --> 02:09:16.620 like in 4,000 BC or something, obviously we don't have any records that go back that far. 02:09:17.260 --> 02:09:24.300 And so then at that point, you could still assume that things are going the same way. Why would they 02:09:24.300 --> 02:09:30.940 change? But as far as like actual hard data, we do have hard data from the time of Christ, 02:09:30.940 --> 02:09:37.100 because you have astronomers before Christ, you have Greek astronomers before Christ, 02:09:37.100 --> 02:09:44.940 you have some wonderful records from the first few centuries AD, then you've got Chinese records, 02:09:44.940 --> 02:09:50.300 you've got Arab records, you got Greek records, you even have Babylonian records from before 02:09:50.300 --> 02:09:55.980 Christ and everything, varying levels of specificity and stuff. But if they're drawing 02:09:55.980 --> 02:10:00.700 and describing what they're seeing in the sky, and then we go to the simulator, roll it back, 02:10:00.700 --> 02:10:06.940 and boom, oh, they said there was an eclipse, boom, the software shows an eclipse that same day. 02:10:06.940 --> 02:10:11.260 Oh, they're looking at these stars, we're seeing the same thing in the simulation. 02:10:12.380 --> 02:10:17.580 That's how we know it's accurate. You check the simulator with historical records, 02:10:17.580 --> 02:10:23.820 just like the same thing with carbon dating. They can calibrate carbon dating back to about 02:10:23.820 --> 02:10:28.620 1000 BC, because they have certain things that they found from that time period. 02:10:29.180 --> 02:10:36.140 And then they know historically, they know pretty much, okay, this is when this pharaoh 02:10:36.140 --> 02:10:41.500 reigned or whatever. And then you can actually calibrate the thing. So, right. And again, 02:10:41.500 --> 02:10:49.580 go back and say, well, we're carbonating this to 8000 BC. That's again, you're getting outside of 02:10:49.580 --> 02:10:53.660 the actual known data at that point. Yeah. And we have a lot of these data points 02:10:54.300 --> 02:11:00.940 that are from different sources and different areas. It starts to bring the accuracy level in 02:11:01.500 --> 02:11:07.580 to a certain level of certainty. The only astronomical event that I can see in the Bible 02:11:07.580 --> 02:11:13.180 that kind of seems like maybe it's just a miracle is when the sun stands still for a whole day. 02:11:13.900 --> 02:11:15.820 That I don't know- That's for sure a miracle. 02:11:16.060 --> 02:11:20.780 I don't know that you could really explain that from the natural occurrences. I don't think that 02:11:20.780 --> 02:11:25.740 that's possible at all. So that's most likely some kind of a miracle. 02:11:25.740 --> 02:11:31.740 It's explicitly a miracle. And so- We could be a day off, right? But again, 02:11:31.740 --> 02:11:34.940 generally speaking, these things are consistent. That doesn't affect this. 02:11:34.940 --> 02:11:40.300 No, it doesn't affect this. That's before. That's like 1500 years before Christ or something. 02:11:40.300 --> 02:11:43.900 Right. Exactly. That doesn't even 02:11:44.620 --> 02:11:50.860 mean anything with this. And the astronomy records are all after that anyway. 02:11:50.860 --> 02:11:55.740 Well, I think a lot of times people have a weird view because they've been taught so much evolution 02:11:55.740 --> 02:12:00.140 that they don't realize how much it's kind of affected their perspective. They think that 02:12:00.140 --> 02:12:04.780 generations before us are a bunch of ooga booga. They don't really know anything because of 02:12:04.780 --> 02:12:12.140 computers and stuff. Now we're smart or something. But there's always been very smart people that 02:12:12.140 --> 02:12:17.340 have studied a lot of these things in time past. A lot of technology and information that we use 02:12:17.340 --> 02:12:24.380 today was built on the backs of generations in the past and their knowledge and their understanding. 02:12:24.380 --> 02:12:31.500 So it's a misnomer, I think, from a lot of people's perspective. They think that past generations or 02:12:31.500 --> 02:12:36.140 a long time ago, everybody was just dumb or everybody was inferior to the intellect of people 02:12:36.140 --> 02:12:43.020 today. Whereas that's not a true reflection of history. Of course, there were time periods when 02:12:43.580 --> 02:12:47.260 reading was really low, literacy was really low. And I'm sure that the common people, 02:12:48.380 --> 02:12:55.340 a lot of them were not very educated. But again, colleges and education has been a common theme 02:12:55.340 --> 02:13:00.860 throughout history. Smart people have studied a lot of these things in times past. And we're 02:13:00.860 --> 02:13:06.540 really standing on the shoulders of those data engineers. And we're just putting the data in a 02:13:06.540 --> 02:13:13.820 computer. But it's not like we're just discovering all this new stuff. People already understood how 02:13:13.820 --> 02:13:18.620 astronomy works. They understood mathematics. They understood a lot of these things. And we're just, 02:13:19.260 --> 02:13:24.780 and many times, catching up or figuring out how to use computers to solve those problems. 02:13:24.780 --> 02:13:29.180 But the problem with computers, I think, is it's actually caused a lot of people to be dumber 02:13:29.180 --> 02:13:33.180 because we rely on that tool and that instrument rather than having the head knowledge. 02:13:33.820 --> 02:13:38.940 Whereas in times past, many of these individuals knew how to calculate these things on paper and 02:13:38.940 --> 02:13:44.300 pen and could understand and talk about them intelligently, whereas today people would have 02:13:44.300 --> 02:13:50.700 to rely on tools and software. Well, and here's another really interesting thing that a lot of 02:13:50.700 --> 02:13:56.300 people might have heard of, the Antikythera mechanism. Are you familiar with that at all, 02:13:56.300 --> 02:14:04.060 Pastor Shelley? No. So this is something that was found in the Mediterranean Sea. 02:14:04.060 --> 02:14:12.380 Like they found it underwater. It was this artifact of a machine from the second century BC. 02:14:13.100 --> 02:14:20.140 So over 2000 years ago, it's this mechanism with all these turning gears and stuff. 02:14:20.300 --> 02:14:29.980 It's basically an astronomy device for predicting eclipses. So it's like this primitive machine 02:14:29.980 --> 02:14:36.380 where all these moving parts, tons of gears and everything. And basically, you put in the date 02:14:37.180 --> 02:14:42.860 and then it tells you what's going on from an astronomy perspective during that date. 02:14:42.860 --> 02:14:46.860 And you can use it to predict eclipses. And it tells you what month, what year. 02:14:47.660 --> 02:14:53.100 So it kind of was a mind blowing discovery of just, wow, these people not only were they 02:14:53.100 --> 02:14:57.740 advanced in their knowledge, but they actually built this little machine. And I use the word 02:14:57.740 --> 02:15:02.220 machine, but it's really just a lot of years. Obviously, it's not electronic. Some people 02:15:02.220 --> 02:15:08.860 describe it as a computer or something. But obviously, it's not electronic at all. It's 02:15:08.860 --> 02:15:16.620 just something that's hand cranked. You turn the dials and it tells you when the eclipse 02:15:16.940 --> 02:15:20.780 abacus or something. It's just like a physical device that calculates things. 02:15:20.780 --> 02:15:26.940 But it's really advanced though. And so it's really cool. It's like you said, 02:15:28.140 --> 02:15:31.500 they weren't going ooga booga 5,000 years ago because let's face it, 02:15:32.460 --> 02:15:38.300 you see people just building mega cities, building the pyramids. They're building some 02:15:38.300 --> 02:15:42.460 pretty incredible stuff because they're- Aqueducts, plumbing is mentioned in the Bible. 02:15:42.940 --> 02:15:46.700 A lot of these things that we think that don't exist really are mentioned in the 02:15:46.700 --> 02:15:52.220 scripture. And they weren't through the Buddha. Even the Indus River Valley civilization 02:15:53.100 --> 02:15:58.860 had plumbing and stuff. Sure. And again, Solomon's considered the smartest man to ever live. So 02:16:00.300 --> 02:16:05.260 he's like a peak of intellect and wisdom at that time. They're building buildings without 02:16:05.260 --> 02:16:09.900 hammers. They're building the temple of the Lord without hammering. And it's one of the most 02:16:09.900 --> 02:16:18.940 magnificent structures of all time. I would almost argue in some ways, society is losing 02:16:18.940 --> 02:16:24.940 intelligence or losing wisdom. Obviously, some ways we're increasing knowledge and technology. 02:16:24.940 --> 02:16:34.300 So I think it's like a complex understanding. In some ways- 02:16:34.300 --> 02:16:38.220 I wouldn't say that we're getting dumber. This is what I would say. I would just say 02:16:39.180 --> 02:16:45.100 we were super smart then and we're super smart now because humans are just smart. 02:16:45.660 --> 02:16:51.020 And so obviously, the general public is dumb, but the general public was dumb 2000 years ago. The 02:16:51.020 --> 02:16:58.060 general public was dumb 4000 years ago. But there have always been people who are smart and they're 02:16:58.620 --> 02:17:03.420 engineering things and they're doing astronomy. They're doing science. There's always been people 02:17:03.500 --> 02:17:08.220 who are into learning and into intellect and people who just kind of don't care and they're 02:17:08.220 --> 02:17:14.700 just kind of just whatever. Just give me another ice cream cone, turn on the cartoons, let's go. 02:17:15.900 --> 02:17:19.900 There have always been people who cared about learning and people who didn't care about learning. 02:17:21.340 --> 02:17:29.100 I don't think that the scientists of today or the mathematicians of today are inferior to the ones 02:17:29.100 --> 02:17:33.100 from 2000 years ago. I would just say they're smart now, they're smart then. It's the same 02:17:33.100 --> 02:17:37.900 humans. Human nature is the same. There's no new thing under the sun. You brought up Solomon. 02:17:38.780 --> 02:17:44.460 He's talking about plants. He's talking about animals. He's doing biology before Aristotle. 02:17:45.420 --> 02:17:49.900 I'm just saying to me, the viewpoint that I have is it's kind of like smart people 02:17:50.460 --> 02:17:55.900 have always been smart. Every civilization, every generation has really smart people and they're 02:17:55.900 --> 02:18:01.340 always at a high level. But the general populace kind of goes through a roller coaster of the 02:18:01.340 --> 02:18:05.820 general pop is kind of increasing knowledge and then going down and going up and it kind of ebbs 02:18:05.820 --> 02:18:13.420 and flows. It seems like our current generation is kind of in a decline. It seems like when they look 02:18:13.420 --> 02:18:18.220 at SAT scores and just the fact that we have to rely on so much technology, it almost seems like 02:18:18.220 --> 02:18:24.780 the general populace has been a little bit of a dumbing down effect. Lower literacy, lower 02:18:25.900 --> 02:18:31.180 just research and studying material. So the general pop is kind of waning. But of course, 02:18:31.180 --> 02:18:36.380 the smart people today, people like Elon Musk and other individuals are still highly intelligent, 02:18:36.380 --> 02:18:41.340 creating all kinds of advanced technology. New stuff is being discovered on a regular basis. 02:18:41.980 --> 02:18:46.460 I would agree smart people have just always been smart and we've always had them and they're the 02:18:46.460 --> 02:18:52.380 ones kind of building society, building civilization, keeping everything kind of running. 02:18:52.380 --> 02:18:59.980 But the general populace kind of ebbs and flows from certain degrees of intelligence. 02:18:59.980 --> 02:19:05.020 I'm not necessarily quite as pessimistic about the current generation. 02:19:08.620 --> 02:19:14.460 Because in some ways, obviously, yeah, we're disappointed sometimes with people's level of 02:19:14.460 --> 02:19:17.340 knowledge. But I just think it's always been that way, to be honest. 02:19:17.340 --> 02:19:18.220 Yeah, that's probably true. 02:19:18.380 --> 02:19:24.220 Yeah, I mean, and honestly, as far as just globally, literacy is at an all time high globally. 02:19:25.900 --> 02:19:30.540 Yeah, I know I would agree with that. I think that and again, you could almost argue we have 02:19:30.540 --> 02:19:34.540 a higher level intelligence globally than maybe times past just because of literacy specifically. 02:19:35.500 --> 02:19:40.220 I'm just saying, I guess I'm hyper focused on America. And just maybe, 02:19:40.220 --> 02:19:45.340 Yeah, I think you're hyper focused. I think you're hyper focused on like college campuses, too. 02:19:45.980 --> 02:19:51.340 And I think that part of the reason because of that, because I know you've gone to some 02:19:51.340 --> 02:19:56.780 college campuses and you found some people that weren't that smart. But the point is, 02:19:58.780 --> 02:20:03.660 I think that the difference there is that if you go back to like our parents generation, 02:20:04.540 --> 02:20:07.260 is that only a small minority went to college. 02:20:07.260 --> 02:20:07.900 That's true. 02:20:07.900 --> 02:20:13.580 And so the people that were going to college were kind of like the elite, 02:20:13.580 --> 02:20:17.500 they're intellectual, they're smart. Whereas now people have this attitude of like, 02:20:17.500 --> 02:20:22.460 everyone should go to college. So then what happens is, you have a lot of people going to college, 02:20:22.460 --> 02:20:27.260 you are not intellectual, they're not excelling at their studies, they're not that into it, 02:20:27.260 --> 02:20:32.700 they don't really care. But they're just kind of being funneled into like 13th grade, like, 02:20:32.700 --> 02:20:37.500 Okay, here we go. So I think that there are just as many smart people on college campuses now as 02:20:37.500 --> 02:20:44.300 there used to be. But you've also just brought in a lot more of the general population that are kind 02:20:44.300 --> 02:20:50.140 of just, you know, not at a high level, right, that are studying in college. And so there are, 02:20:50.140 --> 02:20:53.420 you're going to be easy classes to accommodate those kind of people. 02:20:53.420 --> 02:20:57.900 Yeah, the degree plans have broadened. So, you know, for the most part, people are going to 02:20:57.900 --> 02:21:03.660 college to become a doctor, or a lawyer, or some really highly skilled technical position or to 02:21:03.660 --> 02:21:11.420 study something in an advanced setting. Whereas now they just have such a broad array of degrees 02:21:11.420 --> 02:21:17.180 and fields of study. And yeah, there's definitely because of the increase of just the quantity of 02:21:17.180 --> 02:21:23.660 people going to college, that could maybe seem like academically, it's not as superior. But I 02:21:23.660 --> 02:21:29.340 agree with you that there's still the super smart people are there. And, you know, in times past, 02:21:29.340 --> 02:21:33.180 it's a little bit different. So maybe it's not fair to compare. But I think that, you know, 02:21:33.180 --> 02:21:38.380 there have been some articles and some research to suggest that just even in high schools, 02:21:38.380 --> 02:21:43.260 comparing high schools that maybe SAT scores or ACT scores, or some of that stuff has kind of 02:21:43.260 --> 02:21:48.380 gone downhill a little bit, or maybe there's been a little bit of a decrease in literacy rates, 02:21:48.380 --> 02:21:53.020 that could also be explained by some other factors as far as just increased migration, 02:21:53.820 --> 02:21:57.420 and diversity and things like that, too. So, you know, I don't know. 02:21:57.420 --> 02:22:01.820 Like you said, it's probably like a cycle a little bit, like, 02:22:01.820 --> 02:22:07.500 right. Ebs and flows, you know, certain generations are maybe a little more into 02:22:08.540 --> 02:22:13.740 education than others are learning. But you know, obviously, this podcast was not catering to the 02:22:13.740 --> 02:22:18.780 weak of mind, we were trying to talk about some advanced topics. I really appreciate you coming 02:22:18.780 --> 02:22:23.660 on the stream with me. This is, this is, I don't know why, but this is fun for me. I know, for some 02:22:23.660 --> 02:22:29.740 people might be kind of boring or not really their jive. But you know, this is my, this is something 02:22:29.740 --> 02:22:33.900 I get excited about. I liked making the chart. I like sharing, talking about it. I've already 02:22:33.900 --> 02:22:38.700 preached several sermons on it. So I kind of like doing the stream and having the visual aids, 02:22:38.700 --> 02:22:43.100 because I feel like the visual aids make kind of a big difference for me and for other people, 02:22:43.100 --> 02:22:47.740 probably as well. I really find the astronomy stuff super interesting. I'm glad you got to share 02:22:48.380 --> 02:22:52.780 the software, and I appreciate you coming on here. Of course, you know, obviously, 02:22:52.780 --> 02:22:56.780 the most important thing is just believing the death, bone resurrection, and putting your faith 02:22:56.780 --> 02:23:01.420 in Christ for salvation. So salvation is according to the Bible, a free gift. It's just by faith 02:23:01.420 --> 02:23:06.060 alone. That's not, you know, Good Friday is not the only thing Catholics get wrong. They think it's 02:23:06.060 --> 02:23:10.620 by works that you have to be saved. And they're wrong on that as well. Salvation is clearly a 02:23:10.620 --> 02:23:17.420 free gift just by faith. It's all what he did. And I love that picture of Christ being in the tomb, 02:23:17.980 --> 02:23:23.500 and it being Sabbath for man showing Christ doing the work for us, and then rising in from the dead, 02:23:23.500 --> 02:23:28.780 and simply salvation is trusting in his rest. The Bible describes salvation as a Sabbath that 02:23:28.780 --> 02:23:34.460 we're entering into his rest, and that Jesus Christ truly paid it all. He did everything for 02:23:34.460 --> 02:23:40.380 us necessary for our salvation. And I just hope that people will appreciate the Bible more. 02:23:41.100 --> 02:23:46.140 And the goal of a stream like this to me is to show that we can trust the Bible. The Bible's right, 02:23:46.140 --> 02:23:51.580 the Bible's accurate, there's no contradiction, and that we should trust every word and not get 02:23:51.580 --> 02:23:55.900 a Catholic view of just like, oh, well, you know, it's just mistranslated, or you got to change it 02:23:55.900 --> 02:24:00.780 here. Well, you know, it's not a big deal. You know, that's their take on Christianity. And, 02:24:00.780 --> 02:24:05.500 you know, we want to get every word of God, we want to get it dialed in. We want to believe the 02:24:05.500 --> 02:24:08.700 scripture. And of course, there's plenty of people that believe the Bible and are faithful 02:24:08.700 --> 02:24:13.260 Christians, and they believe in the Wednesday view. And I'm not down on you. I've definitely held that 02:24:13.260 --> 02:24:19.980 view. But I think that, you know, it makes sense to reconcile all the verses, make sure that they 02:24:19.980 --> 02:24:24.780 all match. And I think Thursday does that perfectly. Do you have any final thoughts for 02:24:24.780 --> 02:24:30.380 us before we kind of wrap up this afternoon? No, I think I think that was a great wrap up 02:24:30.380 --> 02:24:37.660 that you just gave. I mean, one thing I do just think is kind of cool about the 30 AD is just that 02:24:38.220 --> 02:24:44.140 it's like exactly 40 years before the destruction of the temple. So that's kind of a nice clean 02:24:44.140 --> 02:24:49.900 number, you know, with the 40 years going by and then the temple being destroyed. But again, 02:24:49.900 --> 02:24:54.460 you know, I agree with you. If people believe in Wednesday or Thursday, those, you know, 02:24:55.340 --> 02:25:00.460 are both, you know, good positions to have, although, you know, Thursday is the one that I 02:25:01.020 --> 02:25:05.340 strongly believe is correct. And even if people are mixed up and believe Friday, I mean, you know, 02:25:05.340 --> 02:25:10.540 they're still saved. They're just, you know, they're just not maybe understanding those 02:25:10.540 --> 02:25:19.020 scriptures. And so, you know, I enjoyed being on here. I like these topics and I, you know, I 02:25:19.020 --> 02:25:25.740 just want to thank you for even basically educating me on this subject because of the fact that, 02:25:25.740 --> 02:25:35.100 you know, you're kind of the first person that did a deep dive and was able to really, you know, 02:25:35.100 --> 02:25:39.980 give a comprehensive view to convince me of Thursday. So. 02:25:39.980 --> 02:25:44.780 Well, and it's crazy because I didn't try. Like I said, I did try to prove Wednesday 02:25:44.780 --> 02:25:52.220 and I gave up. And then just one day reading Mark, it just like I believe is Mark 14. 02:25:52.220 --> 02:25:59.340 It just totally changed my mind. I said, I think I can figure this out. And, you know, I just kind of 02:25:59.900 --> 02:26:04.540 took the time to try and really study what the Bible is saying on that issue. And it just, 02:26:04.540 --> 02:26:08.300 it seemed like a puzzle that was just slowly getting put together. And you know, when you get 02:26:08.300 --> 02:26:12.140 to that final stage, it's kind of fun. Like puzzles are frustrating because it just takes 02:26:12.140 --> 02:26:16.700 forever to get the edges. But it's like, once you get the edges and you get the big piece, 02:26:16.700 --> 02:26:20.460 then there's like this kind of fun rush at the very end where you're just kind of putting every 02:26:20.460 --> 02:26:24.380 one of those last little puzzle pieces in there. And then it just all fits together. And it's just 02:26:24.380 --> 02:26:27.980 like, it's a lot of fun. If you've ever done a puzzle, like kind of the last few minutes, 02:26:27.980 --> 02:26:32.460 you're just putting pieces in like left and right, just going super fast. And it's a lot of fun. 02:26:32.460 --> 02:26:36.460 That's kind of how I felt with this. It was like, it took a while to get all the edges in. 02:26:36.460 --> 02:26:40.940 But then it was like, bam, just everything just started clicking. It made a lot of sense. 02:26:40.940 --> 02:26:44.780 Last Supper started making a lot of sense. The Crucifixion made a lot of sense. All the 02:26:44.780 --> 02:26:49.500 Sabbath days made a lot of sense. And I didn't have it prepared with me, but I'm just going to 02:26:49.500 --> 02:26:55.260 shoot from the hip on this. But I did do a little research on like what quantity of the Gospels 02:26:55.260 --> 02:27:00.860 specifically are talking about the Passion Week. Like they're focused on just this last one week 02:27:00.860 --> 02:27:09.500 or the Holy Week of Scripture. And it's about 33% of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are dedicated 02:27:09.500 --> 02:27:14.940 as far as just the chapters. If you just look at like the chapters or the amount of text dedicated 02:27:14.940 --> 02:27:20.860 just to that last week, it's almost a third of the New Testament specifically. So I think that 02:27:21.420 --> 02:27:26.380 getting the right timeline and kind of looking at this chart and getting it in your heart 02:27:26.460 --> 02:27:30.860 actually really helps you understand a large section of the New Testament because a lot of 02:27:30.860 --> 02:27:34.780 the New Testament, a lot of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are focused on specifically 02:27:35.820 --> 02:27:39.420 this time period. I mean, you have John 12 all the way to virtually 02:27:40.300 --> 02:27:46.620 Chapter 20 is focused just on the specific week. And you have many large portions of 02:27:46.620 --> 02:27:51.900 Matthew, Mark, and Luke also dedicated to just this specific one week of time. And of course, 02:27:52.380 --> 02:27:59.660 it's a really important week of human history is the Passover, is Jesus Christ being our Passover. 02:28:00.220 --> 02:28:04.700 That's why we've been celebrating the Lord's Supper is specifically to celebrate what Jesus 02:28:04.700 --> 02:28:09.900 Christ did for us. And so I really appreciate you guys tuning in. If you want to check out 02:28:09.900 --> 02:28:14.460 Pastor Steven Anderson, you got to check out Faithward Baptist Church. Give us some of the 02:28:14.460 --> 02:28:19.740 plugs. Where do we find your preaching? I mean, the best place to go is just 02:28:19.740 --> 02:28:25.900 the preaching.com or if you just Google Faithward Baptist Church, there's all kinds of 02:28:26.620 --> 02:28:33.420 talk about how bad we are, but it should also link to our website at some point. But I just usually, 02:28:33.420 --> 02:28:39.500 it's FaithwardBaptist.org is the website, FaithwardBaptist.org. But an easy way to get 02:28:39.500 --> 02:28:44.380 there is just to type in the preaching.com. Great. And you can check him out on Rumble. 02:28:44.380 --> 02:28:48.780 He's got a couple of channels there. I'm going to try and put in the description of this video 02:28:48.780 --> 02:28:53.900 after we're done a lot of the links to some of the stuff that we're sharing. On our website, 02:28:53.900 --> 02:29:00.300 specifically, sbckjv.com, you can find the timing of the Passover chart that I have. 02:29:01.340 --> 02:29:06.940 One sad thing is you can't share that on Facebook. I guess Facebook's blocked all of our URLs and 02:29:06.940 --> 02:29:11.020 everything like that. But you could download the chart and reupload it as just a picture or 02:29:11.020 --> 02:29:18.140 something apart from our website link address. But you can't ever link to me or my name or 02:29:19.900 --> 02:29:25.820 anything with our church on Facebook. 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If you just caught part of it, make sure to go back to the beginning. 02:30:12.860 --> 02:30:17.100 We laid down a lot of foundation, a lot of important information there. We want you to 02:30:17.100 --> 02:30:23.420 follow the whole video. And of course, make sure you go to church this Easter. We want to celebrate 02:30:23.420 --> 02:30:29.580 the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. That's going to do it for us. Everyone's got a perspective, 02:30:29.580 --> 02:30:43.660 but you need to get the baptis bias.